[manjaro-dev] my report on the mate basic image

[Philip Müller]

Hi all,

maybe you guys didn't got my proposal on how Manjaro-Developers fix
ISO-Profiles when doing a new profile or recreate it from scratch.

That is exactly why some developers don't get it. We have different ways
to create stuff. Developers with sight use branches and pull requests
and review the code before it gets merged line by line and discuss them
first a lot. This results in better quality. Only if at least two other
developers than the author approve it, we merge it normally.

Then there are the core developers originally working on the tools and
such. In the development phase you can just commit all your changes and
fix them on the go as you wish. Then, when it is considered stable we
create a new branch and go on with bugfixes using the pull request
approach when needed. However at least another core developer checks the
codes afterwards.

That out in the open we agreed to help you guys out. We saw a lot of
caveats with your code, so Stefano stripped it down and removed all the
nonsense. Then he started to fix the basics and asked you just to review
it and report back your findings. We never asked you to change any code.
That will be done by Manjaro developers first until we have a solid base.

We use always the basic profiles first for development. The full images
are only the same with additionally added applications. The basic images
always include the minimalistic desktop with basic features and not
extra applications and eye candy.

So we had the issue with 'Thus' not working, which was a major issue for
you guys. Then we had some issue with key-binding and orca not starting.
Good. At least in the live session we have fixed that.

Next step would be to install it on real hardware and review the missing
points and issues given with that fact. Then we pick one or two issues
and prioritise them. We will work then together on these to get them
solved. Only when all the showstopper bugs are gone we decide on which
applications may be useful or we still have missed.

So please, review the given profiles as they are without code changes on
your own and point out what should be fixed first. We dedicate some time
for you guys, so we also don't want to waste it.

If we don't get to an agreement on it soon we are sorry and have to move
on without Sonar using Manjaro as base.

I hope this approach is to everybody clear now. If we make it before
Christmas we can't tell, as Sonar doesn't have yet any high priority
from Manjaro Development point of view. That is why Stefano, a community
maintainer invests some time on it and I support him if I find some free
time. He is lead and what he tells should be accepted.

Some issues are so complex, that they might need somebody who works with
the new tools more often than you guys did in the past couple of month.

Sometimes the issues are logical and easy to solve. Before changing
something, ask for advice. Maybe there exists already an solution.

greez, Grumpy Phil