[manjaro-dev] Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer
Philip Müller
philm at manjaro.org
Mon Feb 16 22:09:03 CET 2015
Hi Jesper,
seems you might still not get it completely. Netrunner Rolling is based
on Manjaro. Calamares is a BlueSystems project. Netrunner too. Which
install do you think the will use? Joining either of our projects would
be fine. Looking forward to that.
kind regards
Phil
Am 16.02.2015 um 11:49 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for explaining it in more detail - I have used Netrunner
> Rolling too and it is also really a great distro...it sounds great
> about Muon for Netrunner Rolling - so that it is not only used for the
> Netrunner Kubuntu based edition - I haven't tried that so much, so I
> didn't really know that it used Muon, but since it is kubuntu-based it
> makes sense :-)
>
> Does that also mean that the Netrunner Rolling will continue using
> Thus as installer or will it also switch to Calamares at some point in
> the future ?
>
> I can see that I might have misunderstood something regarding Pamac
> and Octopi :-). I suggested it because in my opinion a higher degree
> of standardization between different linux distros is worth focusing
> on - but of course there might be situations where it does not make
> sense to merge projects.
>
> I think it is a good idea to focus on Calamares. By the way, I tried
> to install the KaOSx KDE plasma edition a few days ago, which also
> uses Calamares now, and it crashed during installation :-( - however,
> I had no problems installing Manjaro 0.9 with calamares.
>
> But great that you are considering Muon for Manjaro in the future.
>
> I am considering joining the Manjaro project in the future to
> contribute to the development, but I need to get more experience with
> programming first, as I just started recently - focusing on Python GUI
> programming.
>
> Have a nice day
>
> Best Regards
> Jesper
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:11:05 +0100
> From: philm at manjaro.org
> To: jeela76 at outlook.com
> Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer
>
> Hi Jesper,
>
> sure we will. As we are sponsored by BlueSystems and Manjaro is the
> base of Netrunner Rolling we might be lucky to have Muon soon on
> Netrunner also for the Rolling release. Currently BlueSystems and we
> are focusing on Calamares, our new installer. Muon is also sponsored
> and supported by BlueSystems, so I see no problem there.
>
> Joining Pamac and Octopi will never happen. These are different
> development targets. Regarding themes, we will always try to improve them.
>
> kind regards
> Phil
>
> Am 15.02.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>
> Ok...that's nice...hope you can use the suggestions :-)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:04:26 +0100
> From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
> To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>
> Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer
>
> Hi Jesper,
>
> thx again for your feedback. We will look into it ...
>
> kind regards
> Phil
>
> Am 15.02.2015 um 18:28 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for you mail....yes I should also say that I really
> like the XFCE version.....the layout is really great...right
> now besides Windows 10 build 9926 I have the two linux systems
> Manjaro 0.9 KDE and Korora 21 GNOME installed on my PC
>
> You should consider telling the guys working on the GNOME
> version of Manjaro that they should consider using the
> circular numix icon theme from Korora 21 GNOME and combine it
> with beautiful Manjaro wallpapers and the well known dark
> Manjaro look and feel :-) - it would look really awesome.
>
> Another thing you might consider is to take a look at the
> fonts in Octopi of the KDE version....the small fonts are not
> very sharp and a bit difficult to read and needs a sharp color
> I think...You might consider using a larger and more black
> font colour instead ??
>
> Finally you should take a look at the Moun Software Center in
> the upcoming Kubuntu 15.04 KDE Plasma version - I have been
> thinking for a while if it would be possible to create a new
> Package manager for Manjaro (named Manjaro Software Center or
> App Store) inspired from this new Muon look.
>
> My suggestion would be:
>
> 1) Develop a new easy-to-use default software manager named
> Manjaro Software Center or (Manjaro App Store) for all your
> desktop variants based on/inspired by the layout and source
> code from the upcoming Kubuntu 15.04 Muon version. For example
> Muon could be modified to work with Arch systems and have full
> AUR support too. Would that be something worth considering ?
>
> 2) To still have an alternative more advanced software manager
> you could merge Octopi with Pamac into just one package
> manager still named Octopi, as they are very similar. Octopi
> is really great.
>
> It would be great to have two options for installing software
> - the Muon based (default) and the merged Pamac/octopi
> alternative
>
> Just small things - everything stills works really great and
> it is running extremely stable considering it is still a
> development version
>
> Kind Regards
> Jesper
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:57:32 +0100
> From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
> To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>;
> manjaro-dev at manjaro.org <mailto:manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
> CC: assassin.anex at gmail.com <mailto:assassin.anex at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares
> Installer
>
> Hi Jesper,
>
> thx for your feedback. I'm only the XFCE install media
> maintainer. I didn't had much time to take a closer look at
> Lane's work.
>
> @anex: what do you think?
>
> kind regards
> Phil
>
> Am 14.02.2015 um 11:41 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>
> Hi Phil,
>
> You are welcome :-)..I installed the latest version of
> Manjaro 0.9 development version yesterday
>
> I like this grey-green KDE5 plasma splash screen that
> appears after logging in...and I also like the default
> dark KDE look you have made
>
> The slideshow in the Calamares installer also looks very
> professional - I like that
>
> I don't know about the fonts in the beginning (in KDE5
> plasma splash screen) - maybe you should consider using a
> more clear and modern font ?? I mean where you have typed
> "Enjoy the Simplicity" and "Manjaro KDE")
>
> is it KDM you are using as login manager ??
>
> I haven't tried the Manjaro GNOME CE 0.9 yet - previously
> when I used it there was no Manjaro logo in the GDM login
> screen - only
> the default GDM - Have you added such a logo in GDM now -
> then maybe you might consider adding the Manjaro Logo ?
> openSUSE, Fedora and Ubuntu GNOME have added their logo
> and name in GDM below the password
>
> You might also consider using the beautiful
> black-grey-green flower artwork from the latest KDE
> version (or another artwork) as background in GDM instead
> of the default grey background :-) ?
>
> Best
> Jesper
>
>
>
> > To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>
> > Subject: RE: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming
> Calamares Installer
> > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:38:51 +0100
> > From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
> > CC: assassin.anex at gmail.com <mailto:assassin.anex at gmail.com>
> >
> > Hi Jesper,
> >
> > thx for the flowers. Lane will do his best to make our
> KDE5 Edition
> > awesome. All suggestions are welcome.
> >
> > kind regards
> > Phil
> >
> > Am 2015-02-13 12:06, schrieb Jesper Larsen:
> > > Hi Phil,
> > >
> > > I just want to say the new Manjaro 0.9 looks just
> great - I like the
> > > new Calamares Installer much better than Thus and
> think it is better.
> > >
> > > I have a question regarding the KDE version of
> Manjaro, will you be
> > > using the vanilla KDE 5 Plasma framework look, which I
> really like
> > > (like in Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha) or are you planning to
> add some darker
> > > Manjaro specific KDE themes, which would also be great ?
> > >
> > > Also I was thinking that maybe you could make a more
> dynamic/animation
> > > Manjaro boot splash screen for the 0.9 series ? I.e
> where the Manjaro
> > > logo (and word mark) gradually appears and then fades
> away or
> > > something similar instead of the one you use now ?
> > >
> > > Anyway, it is a really great and professionally
> looking distro and
> > > definitely my favourite one :-)
> > >
> > > I look forward to follow the future development...
> > >
> > > Have a fantastic day
> > >
> > > Jesper
> > >
> > > -------------------------
> > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:11:41 +0200
> > > From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
> > > To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>;
> manjaro-dev at manjaro.org <mailto:manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
> > > Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming
> Calamares Installer
> > >
> > > Hi Jesper,
> > >
> > > I answer you some questions as I've no time right now
> to answer them
> > > all.
> > >
> > > Regarding packages. It depends which mirror you're
> using. Some are
> > > outdated. Use the german one netzspielplatz. It syncs
> with our main
> > > server every 5 minutes.
> > >
> > > http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/ [1]
> > >
> > > Also join the mailing list to get notice when we
> update stuff:
> > >
> > >
> https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages [2]
> > >
> > > For KDE, we are working on a new design and hopefully
> fix the issues
> > > you're facing.
> > >
> > > kind regards
> > > Phil
> > >
> > > Am 10.10.2014 um 15:31 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
> > >
> > >> Hi Philip,
> > >>
> > >> First I want to say that I really think Manjaro is a
> fantastic OS
> > >> and I find it to be one of the best linux distros out
> there. You and
> > >> the team are really doing a great job and it just
> gets better and
> > >> better. I think the new calamares installer looks
> really great too
> > >> and I look forward to see it replacing the thus
> installer. Another
> > >> thing I like is the login screen of the manjaro
> 0.8.11 pre2 KDE
> > >> version, which I am currently running.
> > >>
> > >> However I have some suggestions for features that I
> think you might
> > >> consider adding to the Manjaro 0.9 series and
> Calamares if
> > >> technically possible.
> > >>
> > >> I have been using Antergos and bridge Linux also for
> a while and
> > >> what I like about these systems is that I can get all
> the latest
> > >> packages from Arch and that they are almost as
> bleeding-edge as
> > >> Arch. However, it seems that I cannot get all the
> latest packages in
> > >> Manjaro even though I switch to upgrading from the
> unstable manjaro
> > >> repos
> > >>
> > >> So I was thinking if you could consider adding an
> option to the
> > >> Calamares installer - i.e. in an advanced/custom
> installer option
> > >> where the user can choose between the standard
> installation with the
> > >> stable, older packages and older kernel or the
> upstream and more
> > >> unstable, bleeding edge packages including the latest
> kernel from
> > >> the default Arch repositories?
> > >>
> > >> It would be really nice if the user already during
> the installation
> > >> could choose their default repository.
> > >>
> > >> I would therefore suggest the following options added
> to Calamares:
> > >>
> > >> Choose default Manjaro repository:
> > >>
> > >> Stable: This is the default repository, where the
> installed packages
> > >> and kernel are older but more thoroughĺy tested.
> Choosing this
> > >> option will lead to the most stable system.
> > >>
> > >> Testing: Choosing this repository leads to a less
> stable but more
> > >> bleeding-edge system. The packages and kernel are
> newer than those
> > >> in the stable repository but less tested, however
> they are assumed
> > >> to be stable enough for
> > >>
> > >> Unstable: Choosing this repository leads to the most
> bleeding-edge
> > >> manjaro system with the latest packages and latest
> kernel installed.
> > >> These packages have not been tested as much as the
> packages in the
> > >> testing repository and thus there is a higher risk of
> system break
> > >> downs.
> > >>
> > >> Arch repositories: Check this option to be able to
> install the very
> > >> latest and most upstream packages and kernel directly
> from the Arch
> > >> linux repositories - (packages that are more upstream
> than those in
> > >> the Manjaro unstable repository - most aggressively
> updated).
> > >>
> > >> Something like that...I hope you can use my ideas.
> > >>
> > >> Which python GUI are you using for modifying/editing
> the graphical
> > >> layout of Calamares ?
> > >>
> > >> Keep up the good work
> > >>
> > >> Best Regards
> > >> Jesper
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Links:
> > > ------
> > > [1] http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/
> > > [2]
> https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages
>
>
>
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