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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Jesper,<br>
      <br>
      seems you might still not get it completely. Netrunner Rolling is
      based on Manjaro. Calamares is a BlueSystems project. Netrunner
      too. Which install do you think the will use? Joining either of
      our projects would be fine. Looking forward to that.<br>
      <br>
      kind regards<br>
      Phil<br>
      <br>
      Am 16.02.2015 um 11:49 schrieb Jesper Larsen:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Hi Phil,<br>
        <br>
        Thanks for explaining it in more detail - I have used Netrunner
        Rolling too and it is also really a great distro...it sounds
        great about Muon for Netrunner Rolling - so that it is not only
        used for the Netrunner Kubuntu based edition - I haven't tried
        that so much, so I didn't really know that it used Muon, but
        since it is kubuntu-based it makes sense :-)<br>
        <br>
        Does that also mean that the Netrunner Rolling will continue
        using Thus as installer or will it also switch to Calamares at
        some point in the future ? <br>
        <br>
        I can see that I might have misunderstood something regarding
        Pamac and Octopi :-). I suggested it because in my opinion a
        higher degree of standardization between different linux distros
        is worth focusing on - but of course there might be situations
        where it does not make sense to merge projects.<br>
        <br>
        I think it is a good idea to focus on Calamares. By the way, I
        tried to install the KaOSx KDE plasma edition a few days ago,
        which also uses Calamares now, and it crashed during
        installation :-( - however, I had no problems installing Manjaro
        0.9 with calamares.<br>
        <br>
        But great that you are considering Muon for Manjaro in the
        future.<br>
        <br>
        I am considering joining the Manjaro project in the future to
        contribute to the development, but I need to get more experience
        with programming first, as I just started recently - focusing on
        Python GUI programming.<br>
        <br>
        Have a nice day <br>
        <br>
        Best Regards<br>
        Jesper<br>
        <br>
        <br>
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          <hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:11:05 +0100<br>
          From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org">philm@manjaro.org</a><br>
          To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jeela76@outlook.com">jeela76@outlook.com</a><br>
          Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares
          Installer<br>
          <br>
          <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Hi Jesper,<br>
            <br>
            sure we will. As we are sponsored by BlueSystems and Manjaro
            is the base of Netrunner Rolling we might be lucky to have
            Muon soon on Netrunner also for the Rolling release.
            Currently BlueSystems and we are focusing on Calamares, our
            new installer. Muon is also sponsored and supported by
            BlueSystems, so I see no problem there.<br>
            <br>
            Joining Pamac and Octopi will never happen. These are
            different development targets. Regarding themes, we will
            always try to improve them.<br>
            <br>
            kind regards<br>
            Phil<br>
            <br>
            Am 15.02.2015 um 19:06 schrieb Jesper Larsen:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">Ok...that's nice...hope you can use the
              suggestions :-)<br>
              <br>
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                <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2015 19:04:26
                +0100<br>
                From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org">philm@manjaro.org</a><br>
                To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                  href="mailto:jeela76@outlook.com">jeela76@outlook.com</a><br>
                Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming
                Calamares Installer<br>
                <br>
                <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Hi Jesper,<br>
                  <br>
                  thx again for your feedback. We will look into it ...<br>
                  <br>
                  kind regards<br>
                  Phil<br>
                  <br>
                  Am 15.02.2015 um 18:28 schrieb Jesper Larsen:<br>
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                  <div dir="ltr">Hi Phil,<br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks for you mail....yes I should also say that I
                    really like the XFCE version.....the layout is
                    really great...right now besides Windows 10 build
                    9926 I have the two linux systems Manjaro 0.9 KDE
                    and Korora 21 GNOME installed on my PC<br>
                    <br>
                    You should consider telling the guys working on the
                    GNOME version of Manjaro that they should consider
                    using the circular numix icon theme from Korora 21
                    GNOME and combine it with beautiful Manjaro
                    wallpapers and the well known dark Manjaro look and
                    feel :-) - it would look really awesome.<br>
                    <br>
                    Another thing you might consider is to take a look
                    at the fonts in Octopi of the KDE version....the
                    small fonts are not very sharp and a bit difficult
                    to read and needs a sharp color I think...You might
                    consider using a larger and more black font colour
                    instead ??<br>
                    <br>
                    Finally you should take a look at the Moun Software
                    Center in the upcoming Kubuntu 15.04 KDE Plasma
                    version - I have been thinking for a while if it
                    would be possible to create a new Package manager
                    for Manjaro (named Manjaro Software Center or App
                    Store)  inspired from this new Muon look.<br>
                    <br>
                    My suggestion would be:<br>
                    <br>
                    1) Develop a new easy-to-use default software
                    manager named Manjaro Software Center or (Manjaro
                    App Store) for all your desktop variants based
                    on/inspired by the layout and source code from the
                    upcoming Kubuntu 15.04 Muon version. For example
                    Muon could be modified to work with Arch systems and
                    have full AUR support too. Would that be something
                    worth considering ? <br>
                    <br>
                    2) To still have an alternative more advanced
                    software manager you could merge Octopi with Pamac
                    into just one package manager still named Octopi, as
                    they are very similar. Octopi is really great.<br>
                    <br>
                    It would be great to have two options for installing
                    software - the Muon based (default) and the merged
                    Pamac/octopi alternative  <br>
                    <br>
                    Just small things - everything stills works really
                    great and it is running extremely stable considering
                    it is still a development version<br>
                    <br>
                    Kind Regards <br>
                    Jesper <br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    <div>
                      <hr id="ecxstopSpelling">Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015
                      15:57:32 +0100<br>
                      From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org">philm@manjaro.org</a><br>
                      To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:jeela76@outlook.com">jeela76@outlook.com</a>;
                      <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a><br>
                      CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                        href="mailto:assassin.anex@gmail.com">assassin.anex@gmail.com</a><br>
                      Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming
                      Calamares Installer<br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="ecxmoz-cite-prefix">Hi Jesper,<br>
                        <br>
                        thx for your feedback. I'm only the XFCE install
                        media maintainer. I didn't had much time to take
                        a closer look at Lane's work.<br>
                        <br>
                        @anex: what do you think?<br>
                        <br>
                        kind regards<br>
                        Phil<br>
                        <br>
                        Am 14.02.2015 um 11:41 schrieb Jesper Larsen:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Hi Phil,<br>
                          <br>
                          You are welcome :-)..I installed the latest
                          version of Manjaro 0.9 development version
                          yesterday<br>
                          <br>
                          I like this grey-green KDE5 plasma splash
                          screen that appears after logging in...and I
                          also like the default dark KDE look you have
                          made<br>
                          <br>
                          The slideshow in the Calamares installer also
                          looks very professional - I like that<br>
                          <br>
                          I don't know about the fonts in the beginning
                          (in KDE5 plasma splash screen) - maybe you
                          should consider using a more clear and modern
                          font ?? I mean where you have typed "Enjoy the
                          Simplicity" and "Manjaro KDE")<br>
                          <br>
                          is it KDM you are using as login manager ?? <br>
                          <br>
                          I haven't tried the Manjaro GNOME CE 0.9 yet -
                          previously when I used it there was no Manjaro
                          logo in the GDM login screen - only <br>
                          the default GDM - Have you added such a logo
                          in GDM now - then maybe you might consider
                          adding the Manjaro Logo ? openSUSE, Fedora and
                          Ubuntu GNOME have added their logo and name in
                          GDM below the password<br>
                          <br>
                          You might also consider using the beautiful
                          black-grey-green flower artwork from the
                          latest KDE version (or another artwork) as
                          background in GDM instead of the default grey
                          background :-) ?  <br>
                          <br>
                          Best<br>
                          Jesper<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <div>> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:jeela76@outlook.com">jeela76@outlook.com</a><br>
                            > Subject: RE: Regarding manjaro and the
                            upcoming Calamares Installer<br>
                            > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:38:51 +0100<br>
                            > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org">philm@manjaro.org</a><br>
                            > CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:assassin.anex@gmail.com">assassin.anex@gmail.com</a><br>
                            > <br>
                            > Hi Jesper,<br>
                            > <br>
                            > thx for the flowers. Lane will do his
                            best to make our KDE5 Edition <br>
                            > awesome. All suggestions are welcome.<br>
                            > <br>
                            > kind regards<br>
                            > Phil<br>
                            > <br>
                            > Am 2015-02-13 12:06, schrieb Jesper
                            Larsen:<br>
                            > > Hi Phil,<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > I just want to say the new Manjaro
                            0.9 looks just great - I like the<br>
                            > > new Calamares Installer much
                            better than Thus and think it is better.<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > I have a question regarding the
                            KDE version of Manjaro, will you be<br>
                            > > using the vanilla KDE 5 Plasma
                            framework look, which I really like<br>
                            > > (like in Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha) or
                            are you planning to add some darker<br>
                            > > Manjaro specific KDE themes, which
                            would also be great ?<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Also I was thinking that maybe you
                            could make a more dynamic/animation<br>
                            > > Manjaro boot splash screen for the
                            0.9 series ? I.e where the Manjaro<br>
                            > > logo (and word mark) gradually
                            appears and then fades away or<br>
                            > > something similar instead of the
                            one you use now ?<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Anyway, it is a really great and
                            professionally looking distro and<br>
                            > > definitely my favourite one :-)<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > I look forward to follow the
                            future development...<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Have a fantastic day<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Jesper<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > -------------------------<br>
                            > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:11:41
                            +0200<br>
                            > > From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org">philm@manjaro.org</a><br>
                            > > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:jeela76@outlook.com">jeela76@outlook.com</a>;
                            <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                              href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a><br>
                            > > Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and
                            the upcoming Calamares Installer<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Hi Jesper,<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > I answer you some questions as
                            I've no time right now to answer them<br>
                            > > all.<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Regarding packages. It depends
                            which mirror you're using. Some are<br>
                            > > outdated. Use the german one
                            netzspielplatz. It syncs with our main<br>
                            > > server every 5 minutes.<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext"
                              href="http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/"
                              target="_blank">http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/</a>
                            [1]<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Also join the mailing list to get
                            notice when we update stuff:<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext"
                              href="https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages"
                              target="_blank">https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages</a>
                            [2]<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > For KDE, we are working on a new
                            design and hopefully fix the issues<br>
                            > > you're facing.<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > kind regards<br>
                            > > Phil<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Am 10.10.2014 um 15:31 schrieb
                            Jesper Larsen:<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > >> Hi Philip,<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> First I want to say that I
                            really think Manjaro is a fantastic OS<br>
                            > >> and I find it to be one of the
                            best linux distros out there. You and<br>
                            > >> the team are really doing a
                            great job and it just gets better and<br>
                            > >> better. I think the new
                            calamares installer looks really great too<br>
                            > >> and I look forward to see it
                            replacing the thus installer. Another<br>
                            > >> thing I like is the login
                            screen of the manjaro 0.8.11 pre2 KDE<br>
                            > >> version, which I am currently
                            running.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> However I have some
                            suggestions for features that I think you
                            might<br>
                            > >> consider adding to the Manjaro
                            0.9 series and Calamares if<br>
                            > >> technically possible.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> I have been using Antergos and
                            bridge Linux also for a while and<br>
                            > >> what I like about these
                            systems is that I can get all the latest<br>
                            > >> packages from Arch and that
                            they are almost as bleeding-edge as<br>
                            > >> Arch. However, it seems that I
                            cannot get all the latest packages in<br>
                            > >> Manjaro even though I switch
                            to upgrading from the unstable manjaro<br>
                            > >> repos<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> So I was thinking if you could
                            consider adding an option to the<br>
                            > >> Calamares installer - i.e. in
                            an advanced/custom installer option<br>
                            > >> where the user can choose
                            between the standard installation with the<br>
                            > >> stable, older packages and
                            older kernel or the upstream and more<br>
                            > >> unstable, bleeding edge
                            packages including the latest kernel from<br>
                            > >> the default Arch repositories?<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> It would be really nice if the
                            user already during the installation<br>
                            > >> could choose their default
                            repository.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> I would therefore suggest the
                            following options added to Calamares:<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Choose default Manjaro
                            repository:<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Stable: This is the default
                            repository, where the installed packages<br>
                            > >> and kernel are older but more
                            thoroughåy tested. Choosing this<br>
                            > >> option will lead to the most
                            stable system.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Testing: Choosing this
                            repository leads to a less stable but more<br>
                            > >> bleeding-edge system. The
                            packages and kernel are newer than those<br>
                            > >> in the stable repository but
                            less tested, however they are assumed<br>
                            > >> to be stable enough for<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Unstable: Choosing this
                            repository leads to the most bleeding-edge<br>
                            > >> manjaro system with the latest
                            packages and latest kernel installed.<br>
                            > >> These packages have not been
                            tested as much as the packages in the<br>
                            > >> testing repository and thus
                            there is a higher risk of system break<br>
                            > >> downs.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Arch repositories: Check this
                            option to be able to install the very<br>
                            > >> latest and most upstream
                            packages and kernel directly from the Arch<br>
                            > >> linux repositories - (packages
                            that are more upstream than those in<br>
                            > >> the Manjaro unstable
                            repository - most aggressively updated).<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Something like that...I hope
                            you can use my ideas.<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Which python GUI are you using
                            for modifying/editing the graphical<br>
                            > >> layout of Calamares ?<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Keep up the good work<br>
                            > >> <br>
                            > >> Best Regards<br>
                            > >> Jesper<br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > <br>
                            > > Links:<br>
                            > > ------<br>
                            > > [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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                              href="http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/"
                              target="_blank">http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/</a><br>
                            > > [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                              class="ecxmoz-txt-link-freetext"
                              href="https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages"
                              target="_blank">https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages</a><br>
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