[manjaro-dev] [sonar] cleaned up files

[kendell clark]

hi
I am 100 percent behind this one. We've got months until the next
version of sonar, so we've got plenty of time for this. Our community
isn't nearly as finicky as I like to make them out to be, so if we have
to give up some software they'll probably be understanding, so long as
they can easily install it afterwards. I like the idea of having a
software page in calamares. Would it be reasonable to have a single app
to do most common things? Example, we'd have one media player that can
play most formats, audio and video, one sounnd converter, one audio
editor, one video editor, so on and so on. The image would be a little
bit bigger with all that software but nowhere near the 2.1 gb they grew
to. Also, if we murged all the printer drivers and such into manjaro's
profiles they'd get included on all images with a graphical desktop so I
wouldn't need to include them.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


artoo wrote:
> Hi Kendell,
>
>
> My general aim would be first to create a rock solid sonatr basic iso,
> the desktop environment doesn't really matter at this point. Focus
> would be to get everything that all DEs need working, making sure all
> necessary accessibility worls out of the box.
>
> Once this is done and achieve, we are close to it, we can think anout
> customizations, but I think, many of your customizations won't be
> neccessarey, and they existed, because the basics didn't work. I see
> them atm as workarounds, we have to see where they are necessary.
>
> I know this may sound like a setback, but gonna end up with a stable
> basic iso, where you simply put a DE on top of it, and customizations
> will be done for that DE.
>
> The two present profiles, gnome and mate unfortunately mix up so many
> apps, that it is difficult to find out whats going on. For example, I
> think mate-terminal should be used in mate editions. gnome stuff in
> gnome editions.
>
> As things are at the moment, the structure you created does not pply
> well with the sturcture it was designed for.
>
> I think we need to get this in line, so you have less troubles in the
> future creating install media.
>
> My actions are not meant to hurt you, it may look drastic, but the
> mate-basic result is promising I think.
>
>
> So far my general ideas,
>
> if you have questions ask please
>
> Regards
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> Am 24.08.2016 um 13:53 schrieb kendell clark:
>> hi
>>
>> Ah, I think I understand. What do I do with programs that are common
>> to both profiles? For example, we use soundconverter in both the
>> gnome and mate profiles for converting audio and stripping out the
>> video from video files leaving the audio. Should I create a file,
>> something like Packages-Software, and put those packages in there?
>> That way the mate basic profile wouldn't have a packages-software
>> file so would stay slim? I think I understand the point of all of
>> this now and want to work with everyone instead of insisting on doing
>> things my way. Where do files like you guys' samba config, our orca
>> settings, etc go? In the overlays? Would it be possible to murge the
>> printer drivers, etc into manjaro's packages so that all profiles
>> pull them in? Except of course for command line profiles they
>> wouldn't need them. I'm trying to avoid duplication of effort.
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>>
>> On 08/24/2016 05:22 AM, artoo wrote:
>>> Kendell,
>>>
>>>
>>> I have move the user guide in the sonar-artworks repo, its already
>>> packaged in sonar-common package, which installs all the small manuals.
>>>
>>> Please use the artworks repo also for documents, help files. Its a
>>> pure repo for packaging.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding your shared Packages-Desktop, this was very messy, and
>>> actually counterproductive.
>>>
>>> While buildiso filters out redundant packages, you should make these
>>> packages profile specific, per profile.
>>>
>>> the shared list is only for pulling truely shared packages, eg all
>>> the accessibility.
>>>
>>> If you expand the list again, your mate-basic profile grows, so
>>> printing, video and multimedia and stuff should go in the profile.
>>> In other words, the shared list is common ground for all your
>>> profile, it works the same in manjaro profiles. This way, you can
>>> support also smaller test profiles. The bigger profiles are just
>>> additional bloat, but not interesting when you test your builds
>>>
>>>
>>> I also packaged the sonar panel layout, but it doesn't work. I am
>>> not a mate or gtk user, so I am not sure the layout engine perhaps
>>> changed in gtk3, ie you need to create a new one, and overwrite the
>>> one in the desktop-settings repo.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>> Am 24.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>> Today's Topics:
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>>>>     1. Re:  [sonar] new profile (kendell clark)
>>>>     2. Re:  [sonar] new profile (kendell clark)
>>>>     3.  where have most of my packages gone (kendell clark)
>>>>     4.  where have the files gone? (kendell clark)
>>>>     5.  apology (kendell clark)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 08:50:09 -0500
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [sonar] new profile
>>>> Message-ID: <4d2271ee-4c73-19f1-50d0-83393e82b995 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> Do the desktop icons read? I just installed mate gtk3 and everything
>>>> works except the desktop icons and icons in the caja file manager.
>>>> I'll
>>>> build an image right now.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/23/2016 02:36 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>> Hi sonar,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have created a new slim mate-gtk3 profile called mate-basic.
>>>>>
>>>>> It does talk in my test build, it spells in console.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please test it and let me know what needs to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 22.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      1. Re:  help reporting a kernel bug badly needed (kendell
>>>>>> clark)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:50:30 -0500
>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] help reporting a kernel bug badly needed
>>>>>> Message-ID: <57BA1416.5030207 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> I've found the latest lts kernel. It's 4.4. Which means I never
>>>>>> should've changed it to 4.6. Oh well, live and learn. I've now
>>>>>> installed
>>>>>> both the lts kernel and the newest 4.7 kernel, so which ever one you
>>>>>> think will accept the bug is fine with me, I don't want to be picky.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>> Oh wow, 4.6.7 was the last one of that version? hmm. What's the
>>>>>>> newest
>>>>>>> lts one I can install into sonar? It looks like I'll need to
>>>>>>> change the
>>>>>>> kernel version used in the profile.conf files. But basically, all
>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>> supposed to happen is when you unplug the AC adaptor, the screen
>>>>>>> dims
>>>>>>> and a sound plays. When you plug it back in, the screen
>>>>>>> brightens and a
>>>>>>> sound plays. The sound playing isn't the kernel's job of course,
>>>>>>> nor is
>>>>>>> the screen dimming, that's the desktop's teritory but the
>>>>>>> desktop asks
>>>>>>> the kernel whether the  battery is charging or discharging before
>>>>>>> deciding what to do. I'm not absolutely positive it's a kernel
>>>>>>> issue
>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure, since that works on all of my other computers hear
>>>>>>> except this one.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Philip M?ller wrote:
>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:30 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>> Well, I'll never do that again. I had no idea that system
>>>>>>>>> report from
>>>>>>>>> windows would give you guys so much useless info. Oh well, if
>>>>>>>>> it gets
>>>>>>>>> the kernel bug solved it was worth it. I just hope I didn't
>>>>>>>>> cause any
>>>>>>>>> problems with my attachment.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>> Hi Kendell,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what is the exact issue in few words. What do you expect from the
>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>> and what do you get which is odd? Also the kernel 4.6.7 was the
>>>>>>>> last
>>>>>>>> kind of that series. No bugfixing will happen to that one.
>>>>>>>> Which other
>>>>>>>> kernels did you tried so far?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greez, Phil
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 2
>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:15:31 -0500
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [sonar] new profile
>>>> Message-ID: <57BC5A83.90304 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>>>>
>>>> hi
>>>> This basic mate edition works like a charm! Fanf**ingtastic! Lightdm
>>>> even autologs me in. I don't know how you did that but thank you oh so
>>>> very much! The desktop icons don't read but this isn't a manjaro
>>>> bug but
>>>> a mate one, and I'll get right on it. I'm so glad to be using the gtk3
>>>> version of mate. I'm building a test full image to see if lightdm
>>>> works
>>>> there as well, it didn't last time I tried but there have been changes
>>>> since then.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>> hi
>>>>>
>>>>> Do the desktop icons read? I just installed mate gtk3 and everything
>>>>> works except the desktop icons and icons in the caja file manager.
>>>>> I'll build an image right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 08/23/2016 02:36 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>>> Hi sonar,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have created a new slim mate-gtk3 profile called mate-basic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does talk in my test build, it spells in console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please test it and let me know what needs to be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 22.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
>>>>>>> Send manjaro-dev mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>      manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
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>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>>      manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>      manjaro-dev-owner at manjaro.org
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      1. Re:  help reporting a kernel bug badly needed (kendell
>>>>>>> clark)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:50:30 -0500
>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] help reporting a kernel bug badly needed
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57BA1416.5030207 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>> I've found the latest lts kernel. It's 4.4. Which means I never
>>>>>>> should've changed it to 4.6. Oh well, live and learn. I've now
>>>>>>> installed
>>>>>>> both the lts kernel and the newest 4.7 kernel, so which ever one
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> think will accept the bug is fine with me, I don't want to be
>>>>>>> picky.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>> Oh wow, 4.6.7 was the last one of that version? hmm. What's the
>>>>>>>> newest
>>>>>>>> lts one I can install into sonar? It looks like I'll need to
>>>>>>>> change
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> kernel version used in the profile.conf files. But basically, all
>>>>>>>> that's
>>>>>>>> supposed to happen is when you unplug the AC adaptor, the
>>>>>>>> screen dims
>>>>>>>> and a sound plays. When you plug it back in, the screen brightens
>>>>>>>> and a
>>>>>>>> sound plays. The sound playing isn't the kernel's job of course,
>>>>>>>> nor is
>>>>>>>> the screen dimming, that's the desktop's teritory but the
>>>>>>>> desktop asks
>>>>>>>> the kernel whether the  battery is charging or discharging before
>>>>>>>> deciding what to do. I'm not absolutely positive it's a kernel
>>>>>>>> issue but
>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure, since that works on all of my other computers
>>>>>>>> hear
>>>>>>>> except this one.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Philip M?ller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:30 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>> Well, I'll never do that again. I had no idea that system report
>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>> windows would give you guys so much useless info. Oh well, if it
>>>>>>>>>> gets
>>>>>>>>>> the kernel bug solved it was worth it. I just hope I didn't
>>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>>>>> problems with my attachment.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kendell,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> what is the exact issue in few words. What do you expect from the
>>>>>>>>> system
>>>>>>>>> and what do you get which is odd? Also the kernel 4.6.7 was
>>>>>>>>> the last
>>>>>>>>> kind of that series. No bugfixing will happen to that one. Which
>>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>>> kernels did you tried so far?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> greez, Phil
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> manjaro-dev mailing list
>>>>>>>>> manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>>> http://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-dev
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 09:48:52 -0500
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] where have most of my packages gone
>>>> Message-ID: <57BC6254.30203 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> hi all
>>>> I've just noticed that someone has removed a lot of the shared
>>>> software
>>>> I had in packages-desktop. I can easily put it back, I have a local
>>>> copy
>>>> but the question is, will it be removed again if I do? There were a
>>>> bunch of printer drivers and such that aren't pulled into a default
>>>> install that should be there, although those can probably be
>>>> integrated
>>>> into manjaro's packages, since those aren't sonar specific. I'm
>>>> talking
>>>> specifically about the foomatic-db-* packages and a package called
>>>> c2esp, which provides cups drivers for a bunch of kodak printers. The
>>>> full mate image is just over 1.2  gb, which is fine. Would it be
>>>> possible to separate the mate image from the additional software, to
>>>> reduce the image size without having to remove a lot of the included
>>>> software? The software does need to be put back though, because
>>>> sonar is
>>>> supposed to come with tools for a lot of things. Don't worry I'm not
>>>> complaining, I was just a little surprised.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 4
>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:38:46 -0500
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] where have the files gone?
>>>> Message-ID: <57BC6E06.7080506 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> hi all
>>>> The good news is that lightdm now works on the full image as well. The
>>>> bad news is that the users guide files that ryan eversole worked so
>>>> hard
>>>> on were deleted by udevd for no reason I can comprehend. Why are all
>>>> these files being erased? There's a reason I had the structure set up
>>>> like I had, which was to make sure that the custom desktop icons and
>>>> users guides show up on the desktop of live images. Now I get just a
>>>> bare mate install with none of my packages installed, even the full
>>>> image. I can easily fix this, and I have copies of the users guides so
>>>> it's not as if I've lost anything, but why are all my files being
>>>> removed. If where I had them isn't where they belong, then where do
>>>> they
>>>> belong so I can put them back? I'm sorry if I sound exasperated, it's
>>>> just that I'm trying to get sonar back after udevd very very helpfully
>>>> fixed lightdm. I'm really greatful you did that don't get me wrong.
>>>> I'm
>>>> just trying to put the software packages I had installed back,
>>>> which is
>>>> as easy as copying a backed up packages-desktop over the version in
>>>> the
>>>> repositories, but the users guides and desktop icons are going to be
>>>> harder. This is a good opportunity to update our sonar-common
>>>> package I
>>>> guess to have the html users guide files and install the correct one
>>>> into whichever desktop image I'm building. Could that be why the files
>>>> were removed? I'm just trying to understand and don't mean to
>>>> complain.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Message: 5
>>>> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 12:21:10 -0500
>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] apology
>>>> Message-ID: <57BC8606.3080603 at gmail.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>
>>>> hi all
>>>> I want to apologize for my tone in my last message. I'd just gotten
>>>> through trying to help a user get his braille display working with
>>>> sonar
>>>> and it spilled over onto udevd. You've done a fantastic job getting
>>>> lightdm working with sonar, I couldn't have done it without your help.
>>>> Would you mind telling me where custom files go since you don't want
>>>> them in the root overlay? I'd like to murge my changes into manjaro's
>>>> samba config file and use that in sonar rather than using my own copy.
>>>> I'd also like to update our mumble desktop icon to connect to the
>>>> sonar
>>>> channel inside of kyle's mumble server, I'm guessing that one goes
>>>> into
>>>> our sonar common package along with the users guides. You guys help
>>>> the
>>>> sonar team out a lot and you don't deserve my exasperation.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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