[manjaro-dev] sonar iso and calamares

Simon Eigeldinger simon.eigeldinger at vol.at
Sun Aug 21 20:59:27 CEST 2016 

hi,

we also could drop that in one list labeled recommended/interesting 
software or something.

greetings,
simon


Am 21.08.2016 um 20:49 schrieb kendell clark:
> hi
> There's something in that. Maybe combine the two? Provide a package list
> so you can if you want remove packages you don't want but also add aur
> packages that you might want. That would be in a separate list, so there
> would be two lists in the same page. They'd need to be labeled but ...
> I'm getting ahead of myself lol.
> Thanks
> Kendell Clark
>
>
> Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> package list:
>> maybe also a good idea anyway so you could immediately disable some
>> software so you have a slimmer install.
>>
>> greetings,
>> simon
>>
>>
>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:44 schrieb kendell clark:
>>> hi
>>> This brings up another point I need to raise since we now haveonly
>>> calamares to work with. Sonar's calamares branding doesn't seem to be
>>> working. I'm not sure why, but I know it's installed, and yet when
>>> calamares, either version, is launched it reads "manjaro" and not
>>> "sonar". Also, would it be too much trouble to write a script which has
>>> the installer report which desktop it's running on in it's branding? An
>>> example would be "sonar linux 16.10 $desktop edition" where "$desktop"
>>> is either gnome or mate. I did have separate branding files for each
>>> desktop but if it can be done in one that's less complexity. I'm
>>> definitely all for a package list, with check boxes, but this should
>>> only appear if you're using a minimal edition when you install, because
>>> otherwise the apps are installed. However, we could have a separate list
>>> that shows up when the full iso is used that shows aur packages that
>>> aren't on the image that I didn't package for manjaro. I don't know how
>>> hard that would be to code though, I'm no expert in that.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Kendell Clark
>>>
>>>
>>> Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> i guess/wonder if we also could get with a smaller iso as well.
>>>> because installing apps isn't difficult.
>>>> we could have a kind of adding packages package list in the installer
>>>> where the people could check some recommended packages.
>>>> this list could be very long which actually shouldn't be a problem.
>>>> but i am torn between that and the other things. *smile*
>>>> i find both things interesting.
>>>>
>>>> greetings,
>>>> simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:32 schrieb artoo:
>>>>> How you configure your sonar iso in terms of calamares is up to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what I am saying, we really need a slim profile to test sonar iso.
>>>>>
>>>>> Apps are basically only bloat, and maingoal would be to make it
>>>>> perfectly working with orca and stuff that all apps use for
>>>>> accessibility, it a matter of tweaking gschema.override eventually.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:17 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>     1. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 (Simon Eigeldinger)
>>>>>>     2. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 (Philip M?ller)
>>>>>>     3.  Setting an email subject (was: Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol
>>>>>>        29, Issue 9) (Jonathon Fernyhough)
>>>>>>     4.  help reporting a kernel bug badly needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:57:31 +0200
>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9
>>>>>> Message-ID: <5ba9681e-08e0-5214-cd2e-d78f1a84f3d2 at vol.at>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thinking about it again its also convinient to have a full iso.
>>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or we provide a minimal iso by default and then let the user install
>>>>>>> what he wants.
>>>>>>> basically a list box with checkboxes in the installer where the
>>>>>>> user can
>>>>>>> check what he/she wants to install.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:32 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'd like to expand on this. I like your idea, however I think it
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be optional. That is, you could specify whether you want a full
>>>>>>>> iso,
>>>>>>>> which has all the software we include in sonar plus the installer,
>>>>>>>> or a
>>>>>>>> minimal one, which contains the minimum amount of stuff needed to
>>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>>> talking desktop, plus maybe some rescue tools and possibly a media
>>>>>>>> player or two? I totally agree that it is time consuming to build a
>>>>>>>> sonar image but also that the point of sonar is to have an iso
>>>>>>>> image a
>>>>>>>> user can put on a flash drive and have all or at least most of the
>>>>>>>> software they need to do pretty much anything. Audio editor, video
>>>>>>>> editor, audio converter, etc etc etc. Would it be possible to add a
>>>>>>>> software page to calamares if the user is using the minimal
>>>>>>>> version so
>>>>>>>> they can select which programs they want to install and leave the
>>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>>> they don't off? Also an "install updates" option that way a user
>>>>>>>> gets a
>>>>>>>> completely up to date system instead of having to first install and
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> install several hundred updates. Just brainstorming. I'm not
>>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 08/21/2016 10:22 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>>>>>> My thought for sonar was, since we now have  calamares and
>>>>>>>>> buildiso
>>>>>>>>> ready to configure the installer for additionally installing
>>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>>> from online repo,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a hybrid iso, that extracts a basic sonar mate for example, but
>>>>>>>>> downloads all the additional apps optionally. So the sonar user
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> get a basic preconfigured accessible desktop, but he has to
>>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>>> further apps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reason is, it is really painfully time consuming to tbuild a test
>>>>>>>>> sonar iso.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With my proposal, we would have a smaller iso, and all the apps
>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>> be downloaded by user. We would juust provide what is needed for a
>>>>>>>>> sonar user by default.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:11 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
>>>>>>>>>> Send manjaro-dev mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>>>>      manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
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>>>>>>>>>>      manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more
>>>>>>>>>> specific
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      1. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Simon
>>>>>>>>>> Eigeldinger)
>>>>>>>>>>      2. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>      3. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Philip M?ller)
>>>>>>>>>>      4. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (artoo)
>>>>>>>>>>      5. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:09:27 +0200
>>>>>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7
>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <ee5bf9ab-730a-5dca-4a61-7b67f0c2785f at vol.at>
>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> thanks for doing that.
>>>>>>>>>> that now enables us now to move forward.
>>>>>>>>>> btw also its also a good idea to replace gtk2 with gtk3.
>>>>>>>>>> gtk2 doesn't get more accessible and also no updates.
>>>>>>>>>> so thats also a good thing for the future.
>>>>>>>>>> sometimes its good that someone from the outside is cleaning up a
>>>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 13:44 schrieb artoo:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi kendell,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I removed the root-overlay, this stuff shouldn't be there.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Reason is, calamares will now configure the target installation,
>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>> than letting buildiso do it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Your stuff from root-overlay has been saved, its not lost, but
>>>>>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>>>>>> with removed root-overlay, lightdm starts to talk. I moved some
>>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>>> in sonar profile in proper places.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is work in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As for calamares and accessibility, generally, deprecating thus
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>> cli-installer lets us focus on one installer only. Its a
>>>>>>>>>>> nightmare to
>>>>>>>>>>> support 3 different installers. This is also work in progress to
>>>>>>>>>>> eventually make sonar a calamares module, that specifically
>>>>>>>>>>> configures
>>>>>>>>>>> sonar stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Marcus(udeved)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Send manjaro-dev mailing list submissions to
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       1.  thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>>>       2. Re:  thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:00:55 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96DC7.5020409 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd
>>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at
>>>>>>>>>>>> all, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far
>>>>>>>>>>>> calamares is
>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are
>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by
>>>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or people
>>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:09:41 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96FD5.1040306 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've just noticed that most of the files I put in our
>>>>>>>>>>>> shared/root
>>>>>>>>>>>> overlay are gone. Are they maybe in another repository? I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>>> flaking a lot over the past week but I'm trying to get back
>>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>>> developing sonar after taking a couple of days off. Also, I've
>>>>>>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>>>>>>> out a fix for pulse audio which should improve sound when
>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar is
>>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>>> in a vm, allow console speech to work and also keep our
>>>>>>>>>>>> setting to
>>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>>> newly plugged in devices to switch over automatically. Would
>>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>>> mind writing a script which generates a pulse audio config
>>>>>>>>>>>> named
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'default.pa' and places it in ~/.config/pulse when the live
>>>>>>>>>>>> system is
>>>>>>>>>>>> booted? I don't know a thing about sed or I'd try this
>>>>>>>>>>>> myself? It
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> have the following lines in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> .include /etc/pulse/default.pa #this includes the system pulse
>>>>>>>>>>>> configuration file.
>>>>>>>>>>>> #switch to newly plugged in sound hardware
>>>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-switch-on-connect
>>>>>>>>>>>> #enable console screen readers
>>>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-native-protocol-unix auth-anonymous=1
>>>>>>>>>>>> socket=/tmp/pulse.sock
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If the file is generated on boot I won't have to create a skel
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>>> and place that file there. I assume my root overlay was
>>>>>>>>>>>> deleted to
>>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>>> to de-clutter up our profiles, which I completely
>>>>>>>>>>>> understand. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking it to go into the user config folder for pulse
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> system wide one is because if it's placed in the system wide
>>>>>>>>>>>> pulse
>>>>>>>>>>>> config file, pulse breaks. I'm not at all sure why, but if it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the ~/.config/pulse folder it works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd
>>>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calamares is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's run
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this up
>>>>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> people who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
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