[manjaro-dev] sonar iso and calamares

kendell clark coffeekingms at gmail.com
Sun Aug 21 20:49:55 CEST 2016 

hi
There's something in that. Maybe combine the two? Provide a package list
so you can if you want remove packages you don't want but also add aur
packages that you might want. That would be in a separate list, so there
would be two lists in the same page. They'd need to be labeled but ...
I'm getting ahead of myself lol.
Thanks
Kendell Clark


Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> package list:
> maybe also a good idea anyway so you could immediately disable some
> software so you have a slimmer install.
>
> greetings,
> simon
>
>
> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:44 schrieb kendell clark:
>> hi
>> This brings up another point I need to raise since we now haveonly
>> calamares to work with. Sonar's calamares branding doesn't seem to be
>> working. I'm not sure why, but I know it's installed, and yet when
>> calamares, either version, is launched it reads "manjaro" and not
>> "sonar". Also, would it be too much trouble to write a script which has
>> the installer report which desktop it's running on in it's branding? An
>> example would be "sonar linux 16.10 $desktop edition" where "$desktop"
>> is either gnome or mate. I did have separate branding files for each
>> desktop but if it can be done in one that's less complexity. I'm
>> definitely all for a package list, with check boxes, but this should
>> only appear if you're using a minimal edition when you install, because
>> otherwise the apps are installed. However, we could have a separate list
>> that shows up when the full iso is used that shows aur packages that
>> aren't on the image that I didn't package for manjaro. I don't know how
>> hard that would be to code though, I'm no expert in that.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kendell Clark
>>
>>
>> Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> i guess/wonder if we also could get with a smaller iso as well.
>>> because installing apps isn't difficult.
>>> we could have a kind of adding packages package list in the installer
>>> where the people could check some recommended packages.
>>> this list could be very long which actually shouldn't be a problem.
>>> but i am torn between that and the other things. *smile*
>>> i find both things interesting.
>>>
>>> greetings,
>>> simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:32 schrieb artoo:
>>>> How you configure your sonar iso in terms of calamares is up to you.
>>>>
>>>> But what I am saying, we really need a slim profile to test sonar iso.
>>>>
>>>> Apps are basically only bloat, and maingoal would be to make it
>>>> perfectly working with orca and stuff that all apps use for
>>>> accessibility, it a matter of tweaking gschema.override eventually.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:17 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:57:31 +0200
>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9
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>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> thinking about it again its also convinient to have a full iso.
>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>
>>>>> greetings,
>>>>> simon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or we provide a minimal iso by default and then let the user install
>>>>>> what he wants.
>>>>>> basically a list box with checkboxes in the installer where the
>>>>>> user can
>>>>>> check what he/she wants to install.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:32 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd like to expand on this. I like your idea, however I think it
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be optional. That is, you could specify whether you want a full
>>>>>>> iso,
>>>>>>> which has all the software we include in sonar plus the installer,
>>>>>>> or a
>>>>>>> minimal one, which contains the minimum amount of stuff needed to
>>>>>>> get a
>>>>>>> talking desktop, plus maybe some rescue tools and possibly a media
>>>>>>> player or two? I totally agree that it is time consuming to build a
>>>>>>> sonar image but also that the point of sonar is to have an iso
>>>>>>> image a
>>>>>>> user can put on a flash drive and have all or at least most of the
>>>>>>> software they need to do pretty much anything. Audio editor, video
>>>>>>> editor, audio converter, etc etc etc. Would it be possible to add a
>>>>>>> software page to calamares if the user is using the minimal
>>>>>>> version so
>>>>>>> they can select which programs they want to install and leave the
>>>>>>> ones
>>>>>>> they don't off? Also an "install updates" option that way a user
>>>>>>> gets a
>>>>>>> completely up to date system instead of having to first install and
>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>> install several hundred updates. Just brainstorming. I'm not
>>>>>>> sure if
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 08/21/2016 10:22 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>>>>> My thought for sonar was, since we now have  calamares and
>>>>>>>> buildiso
>>>>>>>> ready to configure the installer for additionally installing
>>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>>> from online repo,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> a hybrid iso, that extracts a basic sonar mate for example, but
>>>>>>>> downloads all the additional apps optionally. So the sonar user
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> get a basic preconfigured accessible desktop, but he has to
>>>>>>>> download
>>>>>>>> further apps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Reason is, it is really painfully time consuming to tbuild a test
>>>>>>>> sonar iso.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With my proposal, we would have a smaller iso, and all the apps
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> be downloaded by user. We would juust provide what is needed for a
>>>>>>>> sonar user by default.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:11 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      1. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Simon
>>>>>>>>> Eigeldinger)
>>>>>>>>>      2. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>      3. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Philip M?ller)
>>>>>>>>>      4. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (artoo)
>>>>>>>>>      5. Re:  manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:09:27 +0200
>>>>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7
>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <ee5bf9ab-730a-5dca-4a61-7b67f0c2785f at vol.at>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> thanks for doing that.
>>>>>>>>> that now enables us now to move forward.
>>>>>>>>> btw also its also a good idea to replace gtk2 with gtk3.
>>>>>>>>> gtk2 doesn't get more accessible and also no updates.
>>>>>>>>> so thats also a good thing for the future.
>>>>>>>>> sometimes its good that someone from the outside is cleaning up a
>>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 13:44 schrieb artoo:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi kendell,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I removed the root-overlay, this stuff shouldn't be there.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Reason is, calamares will now configure the target installation,
>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>> than letting buildiso do it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Your stuff from root-overlay has been saved, its not lost, but
>>>>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>>>>> with removed root-overlay, lightdm starts to talk. I moved some
>>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>>> in sonar profile in proper places.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is work in progress.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As for calamares and accessibility, generally, deprecating thus
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> cli-installer lets us focus on one installer only. Its a
>>>>>>>>>> nightmare to
>>>>>>>>>> support 3 different installers. This is also work in progress to
>>>>>>>>>> eventually make sonar a calamares module, that specifically
>>>>>>>>>> configures
>>>>>>>>>> sonar stuff.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Marcus(udeved)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>       1.  thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>>       2. Re:  thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:00:55 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96DC7.5020409 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd
>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at
>>>>>>>>>>> all, but
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to
>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far
>>>>>>>>>>> calamares is
>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand
>>>>>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are
>>>>>>>>>>> affected by
>>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or people
>>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen
>>>>>>>>>>> magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not
>>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:09:41 -0500
>>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96FD5.1040306 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>>> I've just noticed that most of the files I put in our
>>>>>>>>>>> shared/root
>>>>>>>>>>> overlay are gone. Are they maybe in another repository? I've
>>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>>> flaking a lot over the past week but I'm trying to get back
>>>>>>>>>>> into
>>>>>>>>>>> developing sonar after taking a couple of days off. Also, I've
>>>>>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>>>>>> out a fix for pulse audio which should improve sound when
>>>>>>>>>>> sonar is
>>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>>> in a vm, allow console speech to work and also keep our
>>>>>>>>>>> setting to
>>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>>> newly plugged in devices to switch over automatically. Would
>>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>>> mind writing a script which generates a pulse audio config
>>>>>>>>>>> named
>>>>>>>>>>> 'default.pa' and places it in ~/.config/pulse when the live
>>>>>>>>>>> system is
>>>>>>>>>>> booted? I don't know a thing about sed or I'd try this
>>>>>>>>>>> myself? It
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> have the following lines in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> .include /etc/pulse/default.pa #this includes the system pulse
>>>>>>>>>>> configuration file.
>>>>>>>>>>> #switch to newly plugged in sound hardware
>>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-switch-on-connect
>>>>>>>>>>> #enable console screen readers
>>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-native-protocol-unix auth-anonymous=1
>>>>>>>>>>> socket=/tmp/pulse.sock
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If the file is generated on boot I won't have to create a skel
>>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>>> and place that file there. I assume my root overlay was
>>>>>>>>>>> deleted to
>>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>>> to de-clutter up our profiles, which I completely
>>>>>>>>>>> understand. The
>>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking it to go into the user config folder for pulse
>>>>>>>>>>> instead
>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>> system wide one is because if it's placed in the system wide
>>>>>>>>>>> pulse
>>>>>>>>>>> config file, pulse breaks. I'm not at all sure why, but if it's
>>>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>>>> in the ~/.config/pulse folder it works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd
>>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it
>>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far
>>>>>>>>>>>> calamares is
>>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand
>>>>>>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's run
>>>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing
>>>>>>>>>>>> this up
>>>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get
>>>>>>>>>>>> fixed it
>>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are
>>>>>>>>>>>> affected by
>>>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or
>>>>>>>>>>>> people who
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen
>>>>>>>>>>>> magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
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