[manjaro-dev] sonar iso and calamares
kendell clark
coffeekingms at gmail.com
Sun Aug 21 20:35:01 CEST 2016
hi
I completely agree with you. We need a profile we use for the gp
(general public) and one us devs can use to just test accessibility of
core sonar. I can easily test app accessibility on other systems or on
my sonar installation hear, so it's not necessary to install them all if
all you're trying to do is test that sonar and it's most critical parts,
desktop, installer, etc work. I'm perfectly willing to have something
like that, I just don't have any idea how to make one. If someone else
does though I'll gladly start using it. I'll also test to make sure
everything works. Gsettings is definitely important. I had to release
gnome with orca not starting on system startup even though it's supposed
to. Gnome is also not using our custom sound theme even though our
gsettings stuff looks all ok. Mate does both, and I don't understand
why. The thing about mate is that there's a graphical way to change the
sound theme but not in gnome.
Thanks
Kendell Clark
artoo wrote:
> How you configure your sonar iso in terms of calamares is up to you.
>
> But what I am saying, we really need a slim profile to test sonar iso.
>
> Apps are basically only bloat, and maingoal would be to make it
> perfectly working with orca and stuff that all apps use for
> accessibility, it a matter of tweaking gschema.override eventually.
>
>
> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:17 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>> Hi,
>>
>> thinking about it again its also convinient to have a full iso. *smile*
>>
>> greetings,
>> simon
>>
>>
>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> or we provide a minimal iso by default and then let the user install
>>> what he wants.
>>> basically a list box with checkboxes in the installer where the user
>>> can
>>> check what he/she wants to install.
>>>
>>> greetings,
>>> simon
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:32 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>> hi
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to expand on this. I like your idea, however I think it
>>>> should
>>>> be optional. That is, you could specify whether you want a full iso,
>>>> which has all the software we include in sonar plus the installer,
>>>> or a
>>>> minimal one, which contains the minimum amount of stuff needed to
>>>> get a
>>>> talking desktop, plus maybe some rescue tools and possibly a media
>>>> player or two? I totally agree that it is time consuming to build a
>>>> sonar image but also that the point of sonar is to have an iso image a
>>>> user can put on a flash drive and have all or at least most of the
>>>> software they need to do pretty much anything. Audio editor, video
>>>> editor, audio converter, etc etc etc. Would it be possible to add a
>>>> software page to calamares if the user is using the minimal version so
>>>> they can select which programs they want to install and leave the ones
>>>> they don't off? Also an "install updates" option that way a user
>>>> gets a
>>>> completely up to date system instead of having to first install and
>>>> then
>>>> install several hundred updates. Just brainstorming. I'm not sure
>>>> if you
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 08/21/2016 10:22 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>> My thought for sonar was, since we now have calamares and buildiso
>>>>> ready to configure the installer for additionally installing packages
>>>>> from online repo,
>>>>>
>>>>> a hybrid iso, that extracts a basic sonar mate for example, but
>>>>> downloads all the additional apps optionally. So the sonar user would
>>>>> get a basic preconfigured accessible desktop, but he has to download
>>>>> further apps.
>>>>>
>>>>> Reason is, it is really painfully time consuming to tbuild a test
>>>>> sonar iso.
>>>>>
>>>>> With my proposal, we would have a smaller iso, and all the apps will
>>>>> be downloaded by user. We would juust provide what is needed for a
>>>>> sonar user by default.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for doing that.
>>>>>> that now enables us now to move forward.
>>>>>> btw also its also a good idea to replace gtk2 with gtk3.
>>>>>> gtk2 doesn't get more accessible and also no updates.
>>>>>> so thats also a good thing for the future.
>>>>>> sometimes its good that someone from the outside is cleaning up a
>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 13:44 schrieb artoo:
>>>>>>> Hi kendell,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I removed the root-overlay, this stuff shouldn't be there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reason is, calamares will now configure the target installation,
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> than letting buildiso do it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Your stuff from root-overlay has been saved, its not lost, but
>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>> with removed root-overlay, lightdm starts to talk. I moved some
>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>> in sonar profile in proper places.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is work in progress.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As for calamares and accessibility, generally, deprecating thus and
>>>>>>> cli-installer lets us focus on one installer only. Its a
>>>>>>> nightmare to
>>>>>>> support 3 different installers. This is also work in progress to
>>>>>>> eventually make sonar a calamares module, that specifically
>>>>>>> configures
>>>>>>> sonar stuff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus(udeved)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:00:55 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96DC7.5020409 at gmail.com>
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>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd removed
>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all, but
>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the next
>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would some
>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to
>>>>>>>> emphasize that
>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it to be
>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far calamares is
>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand keeps
>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible with
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are affected by
>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that it's a
>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or people who
>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen magnifiers
>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm not
>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:09:41 -0500
>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96FD5.1040306 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>> I've just noticed that most of the files I put in our shared/root
>>>>>>>> overlay are gone. Are they maybe in another repository? I've been
>>>>>>>> flaking a lot over the past week but I'm trying to get back into
>>>>>>>> developing sonar after taking a couple of days off. Also, I've
>>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>>> out a fix for pulse audio which should improve sound when sonar is
>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>> in a vm, allow console speech to work and also keep our setting to
>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>> newly plugged in devices to switch over automatically. Would
>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>> mind writing a script which generates a pulse audio config named
>>>>>>>> 'default.pa' and places it in ~/.config/pulse when the live
>>>>>>>> system is
>>>>>>>> booted? I don't know a thing about sed or I'd try this myself? It
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> have the following lines in it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> .include /etc/pulse/default.pa #this includes the system pulse
>>>>>>>> configuration file.
>>>>>>>> #switch to newly plugged in sound hardware
>>>>>>>> load-module module-switch-on-connect
>>>>>>>> #enable console screen readers
>>>>>>>> load-module module-native-protocol-unix auth-anonymous=1
>>>>>>>> socket=/tmp/pulse.sock
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If the file is generated on boot I won't have to create a skel
>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>> and place that file there. I assume my root overlay was deleted to
>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>> to de-clutter up our profiles, which I completely understand. The
>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>> I'm asking it to go into the user config folder for pulse instead
>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>> system wide one is because if it's placed in the system wide pulse
>>>>>>>> config file, pulse breaks. I'm not at all sure why, but if it's
>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>> in the ~/.config/pulse folder it works fine.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd removed
>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all, but
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to emphasize
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it to be
>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far calamares is
>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand keeps
>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>> it's run
>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are affected by
>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that it's a
>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or people
>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen magnifiers
>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm not
>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>
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