[manjaro-dev] Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer

Philip Müller philm at manjaro.org
Sun Feb 15 19:03:48 CET 2015


Some thoughts on Manjaro by Jesper Larsen. What do you think ?!?

Am 15.02.2015 um 18:28 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
> Hi Phil,
>
> Thanks for you mail....yes I should also say that I really like the 
> XFCE version.....the layout is really great...right now besides 
> Windows 10 build 9926 I have the two linux systems Manjaro 0.9 KDE and 
> Korora 21 GNOME installed on my PC
>
> You should consider telling the guys working on the GNOME version of 
> Manjaro that they should consider using the circular numix icon theme 
> from Korora 21 GNOME and combine it with beautiful Manjaro wallpapers 
> and the well known dark Manjaro look and feel :-) - it would look 
> really awesome.
>
> Another thing you might consider is to take a look at the fonts in 
> Octopi of the KDE version....the small fonts are not very sharp and a 
> bit difficult to read and needs a sharp color I think...You might 
> consider using a larger and more black font colour instead ??
>
> Finally you should take a look at the Moun Software Center in the 
> upcoming Kubuntu 15.04 KDE Plasma version - I have been thinking for a 
> while if it would be possible to create a new Package manager for 
> Manjaro (named Manjaro Software Center or App Store)  inspired from 
> this new Muon look.
>
> My suggestion would be:
>
> 1) Develop a new easy-to-use default software manager named Manjaro 
> Software Center or (Manjaro App Store) for all your desktop variants 
> based on/inspired by the layout and source code from the upcoming 
> Kubuntu 15.04 Muon version. For example Muon could be modified to work 
> with Arch systems and have full AUR support too. Would that be 
> something worth considering ?
>
> 2) To still have an alternative more advanced software manager you 
> could merge Octopi with Pamac into just one package manager still 
> named Octopi, as they are very similar. Octopi is really great.
>
> It would be great to have two options for installing software - the 
> Muon based (default) and the merged Pamac/octopi alternative
>
> Just small things - everything stills works really great and it is 
> running extremely stable considering it is still a development version
>
> Kind Regards
> Jesper
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2015 15:57:32 +0100
> From: philm at manjaro.org
> To: jeela76 at outlook.com; manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
> CC: assassin.anex at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer
>
> Hi Jesper,
>
> thx for your feedback. I'm only the XFCE install media maintainer. I 
> didn't had much time to take a closer look at Lane's work.
>
> @anex: what do you think?
>
> kind regards
> Phil
>
> Am 14.02.2015 um 11:41 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>
>     Hi Phil,
>
>     You are welcome :-)..I installed the latest version of Manjaro 0.9
>     development version yesterday
>
>     I like this grey-green KDE5 plasma splash screen that appears
>     after logging in...and I also like the default dark KDE look you
>     have made
>
>     The slideshow in the Calamares installer also looks very
>     professional - I like that
>
>     I don't know about the fonts in the beginning (in KDE5 plasma
>     splash screen) - maybe you should consider using a more clear and
>     modern font ?? I mean where you have typed "Enjoy the Simplicity"
>     and "Manjaro KDE")
>
>     is it KDM you are using as login manager ??
>
>     I haven't tried the Manjaro GNOME CE 0.9 yet - previously when I
>     used it there was no Manjaro logo in the GDM login screen - only
>     the default GDM - Have you added such a logo in GDM now - then
>     maybe you might consider adding the Manjaro Logo ? openSUSE,
>     Fedora and Ubuntu GNOME have added their logo and name in GDM
>     below the password
>
>     You might also consider using the beautiful black-grey-green
>     flower artwork from the latest KDE version (or another artwork) as
>     background in GDM instead of the default grey background :-) ?
>
>     Best
>     Jesper
>
>
>
>     > To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>
>     > Subject: RE: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares Installer
>     > Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 13:38:51 +0100
>     > From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
>     > CC: assassin.anex at gmail.com <mailto:assassin.anex at gmail.com>
>     >
>     > Hi Jesper,
>     >
>     > thx for the flowers. Lane will do his best to make our KDE5 Edition
>     > awesome. All suggestions are welcome.
>     >
>     > kind regards
>     > Phil
>     >
>     > Am 2015-02-13 12:06, schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>     > > Hi Phil,
>     > >
>     > > I just want to say the new Manjaro 0.9 looks just great - I
>     like the
>     > > new Calamares Installer much better than Thus and think it is
>     better.
>     > >
>     > > I have a question regarding the KDE version of Manjaro, will
>     you be
>     > > using the vanilla KDE 5 Plasma framework look, which I really like
>     > > (like in Kubuntu 15.04 Alpha) or are you planning to add some
>     darker
>     > > Manjaro specific KDE themes, which would also be great ?
>     > >
>     > > Also I was thinking that maybe you could make a more
>     dynamic/animation
>     > > Manjaro boot splash screen for the 0.9 series ? I.e where the
>     Manjaro
>     > > logo (and word mark) gradually appears and then fades away or
>     > > something similar instead of the one you use now ?
>     > >
>     > > Anyway, it is a really great and professionally looking distro and
>     > > definitely my favourite one :-)
>     > >
>     > > I look forward to follow the future development...
>     > >
>     > > Have a fantastic day
>     > >
>     > > Jesper
>     > >
>     > > -------------------------
>     > > Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:11:41 +0200
>     > > From: philm at manjaro.org <mailto:philm at manjaro.org>
>     > > To: jeela76 at outlook.com <mailto:jeela76 at outlook.com>;
>     manjaro-dev at manjaro.org <mailto:manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>     > > Subject: Re: Regarding manjaro and the upcoming Calamares
>     Installer
>     > >
>     > > Hi Jesper,
>     > >
>     > > I answer you some questions as I've no time right now to
>     answer them
>     > > all.
>     > >
>     > > Regarding packages. It depends which mirror you're using. Some are
>     > > outdated. Use the german one netzspielplatz. It syncs with our
>     main
>     > > server every 5 minutes.
>     > >
>     > > http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/ [1]
>     > >
>     > > Also join the mailing list to get notice when we update stuff:
>     > >
>     > > https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages [2]
>     > >
>     > > For KDE, we are working on a new design and hopefully fix the
>     issues
>     > > you're facing.
>     > >
>     > > kind regards
>     > > Phil
>     > >
>     > > Am 10.10.2014 um 15:31 schrieb Jesper Larsen:
>     > >
>     > >> Hi Philip,
>     > >>
>     > >> First I want to say that I really think Manjaro is a fantastic OS
>     > >> and I find it to be one of the best linux distros out there.
>     You and
>     > >> the team are really doing a great job and it just gets better and
>     > >> better. I think the new calamares installer looks really
>     great too
>     > >> and I look forward to see it replacing the thus installer.
>     Another
>     > >> thing I like is the login screen of the manjaro 0.8.11 pre2 KDE
>     > >> version, which I am currently running.
>     > >>
>     > >> However I have some suggestions for features that I think you
>     might
>     > >> consider adding to the Manjaro 0.9 series and Calamares if
>     > >> technically possible.
>     > >>
>     > >> I have been using Antergos and bridge Linux also for a while and
>     > >> what I like about these systems is that I can get all the latest
>     > >> packages from Arch and that they are almost as bleeding-edge as
>     > >> Arch. However, it seems that I cannot get all the latest
>     packages in
>     > >> Manjaro even though I switch to upgrading from the unstable
>     manjaro
>     > >> repos
>     > >>
>     > >> So I was thinking if you could consider adding an option to the
>     > >> Calamares installer - i.e. in an advanced/custom installer option
>     > >> where the user can choose between the standard installation
>     with the
>     > >> stable, older packages and older kernel or the upstream and more
>     > >> unstable, bleeding edge packages including the latest kernel from
>     > >> the default Arch repositories?
>     > >>
>     > >> It would be really nice if the user already during the
>     installation
>     > >> could choose their default repository.
>     > >>
>     > >> I would therefore suggest the following options added to
>     Calamares:
>     > >>
>     > >> Choose default Manjaro repository:
>     > >>
>     > >> Stable: This is the default repository, where the installed
>     packages
>     > >> and kernel are older but more thoroughĺy tested. Choosing this
>     > >> option will lead to the most stable system.
>     > >>
>     > >> Testing: Choosing this repository leads to a less stable but more
>     > >> bleeding-edge system. The packages and kernel are newer than
>     those
>     > >> in the stable repository but less tested, however they are
>     assumed
>     > >> to be stable enough for
>     > >>
>     > >> Unstable: Choosing this repository leads to the most
>     bleeding-edge
>     > >> manjaro system with the latest packages and latest kernel
>     installed.
>     > >> These packages have not been tested as much as the packages
>     in the
>     > >> testing repository and thus there is a higher risk of system
>     break
>     > >> downs.
>     > >>
>     > >> Arch repositories: Check this option to be able to install
>     the very
>     > >> latest and most upstream packages and kernel directly from
>     the Arch
>     > >> linux repositories - (packages that are more upstream than
>     those in
>     > >> the Manjaro unstable repository - most aggressively updated).
>     > >>
>     > >> Something like that...I hope you can use my ideas.
>     > >>
>     > >> Which python GUI are you using for modifying/editing the
>     graphical
>     > >> layout of Calamares ?
>     > >>
>     > >> Keep up the good work
>     > >>
>     > >> Best Regards
>     > >> Jesper
>     > >
>     > >
>     > >
>     > > Links:
>     > > ------
>     > > [1] http://mirror.netzspielplatz.de/manjaro/packages/
>     > > [2] https://lists.manjaro.org/mailman/listinfo/manjaro-packages
>

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