[manjaro-dev] [Xorg] X.org X-Server 1.15 around the corner and what it means

J Fernyhough j.fernyhough at gmail.com
Tue Nov 5 18:33:47 CET 2013

I personally don't see a problem with a solution similar to Catalyst
Legacy. If there is a Linux-wide issue with AMD proprietary drivers
and Xorg 1.15 then Manjaro won't be the only ones affected (i.e. so
will Arch). Given the leaps made by the OSS radeon driver under Linux
3.11 I'd personally be reticent to hold back other packages because of
one proprietary driver. For example, would you be holding back Linux
3.12 because ZFS/SPL hasn't yet been updated with 3.12 support? Once
kernel 3.11 becomes default, I reckon the default position should be
to "try free first" (and in many cases people only want Catalyst
because they're used to needing it).


On 5 November 2013 09:34, Rob <korrode at gmail.com> wrote:
> Depends on if you want to always arbitrarily roll Arch updates in or not. If
> i was you I would have no problem holding back the Xorg server for ages
> after Arch has upgraded it, waiting for AMD to release new drivers. Who is
> going to feel a negative effect from a slightly older X11? Certainly not the
> average Manjaro user... unless there's something i'm not considering?
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Philip Müller <philm at manjaro.org> wrote:
>> Some might not know it yet but Xorg X-Server 1.15 RC1 got tagged. This
>> means again a ABI bump which will break Catalyst and Nvidia. I see no issues
>> for Nvidia to release a working proprietary blob but I see red for AMD once
>> more. Sure, I already found a solution to ship catalyst-server,
>> catalyst-video and catalyst-input which is simply an outdated xorg-stack you
>> have to install to get this bollugs working.
>> This means again to ship those extra packages we only need for Catalyst
>> and for x86_64 never reach a CD-size if that matter. Also it means you'll
>> never get the new features X-Server 1.15 series might offer.
>> I don't know if SteamOS will change anything on this topic. The fact is,
>> Arch will ship this new xorg-stack series soon or later.
>> Which leaves me to two options:
>> Keep Xorg-Stack 1.14 and maintain it on our terms
>> Keep up with Arch and use our catalyst-stack solution
>> Or ditch Catalyst once for all and don't give a #$%&§ about it
>> Thoughts, whishes
>> Phil
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