[manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 13
Simon Eigeldinger
simon.eigeldinger at vol.at
Sun Aug 21 21:59:18 CEST 2016
Hi,
Thanks for the info.
sounds interesting.
Greetings,
Simon
Am 21.08.2016 um 20:57 schrieb artoo:
> Kendell, Simon,
>
>
> the new manjaro-tools-0.13.4+ support already netinstall.
>
>
> We have 3 options in buildiso, or better in profile.conf to configure
> calamares.
>
> First, pure offline install by unsquashing the root-image and desktop-image
>
> Second, hybrid, requires internet, unsquash images and pull additionally
> defined software package groups from the repos
>
>
> Third, pure netinstall, everything comes from online repos, the iso only
> serves to run calamares. Nothing will be unsquashed, but pacmab will
> bootstrap from internet
>
>
> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:44 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>> Today's Topics:
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>> 1. Re: sonar iso and calamares (Simon Eigeldinger)
>> 2. Re: sonar iso and calamares (kendell clark)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 20:35:23 +0200
>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] sonar iso and calamares
>> Message-ID: <36c075bb-4a94-ecc9-eca1-0b95eaf8b7e1 at vol.at>
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>> Hi,
>>
>> i guess/wonder if we also could get with a smaller iso as well.
>> because installing apps isn't difficult.
>> we could have a kind of adding packages package list in the installer
>> where the people could check some recommended packages.
>> this list could be very long which actually shouldn't be a problem.
>> but i am torn between that and the other things. *smile*
>> i find both things interesting.
>>
>> greetings,
>> simon
>>
>>
>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:32 schrieb artoo:
>>> How you configure your sonar iso in terms of calamares is up to you.
>>>
>>> But what I am saying, we really need a slim profile to test sonar iso.
>>>
>>> Apps are basically only bloat, and maingoal would be to make it
>>> perfectly working with orca and stuff that all apps use for
>>> accessibility, it a matter of tweaking gschema.override eventually.
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 20:17 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>> 1. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 (Simon Eigeldinger)
>>>> 2. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9 (Philip M?ller)
>>>> 3. Setting an email subject (was: Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol
>>>> 29, Issue 9) (Jonathon Fernyhough)
>>>> 4. help reporting a kernel bug badly needed (kendell clark)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 17:57:31 +0200
>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 9
>>>> Message-ID: <5ba9681e-08e0-5214-cd2e-d78f1a84f3d2 at vol.at>
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>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> thinking about it again its also convinient to have a full iso. *smile*
>>>>
>>>> greetings,
>>>> simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:55 schrieb Simon Eigeldinger:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> or we provide a minimal iso by default and then let the user install
>>>>> what he wants.
>>>>> basically a list box with checkboxes in the installer where the
>>>>> user can
>>>>> check what he/she wants to install.
>>>>>
>>>>> greetings,
>>>>> simon
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:32 schrieb kendell clark:
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd like to expand on this. I like your idea, however I think it
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be optional. That is, you could specify whether you want a full iso,
>>>>>> which has all the software we include in sonar plus the installer,
>>>>>> or a
>>>>>> minimal one, which contains the minimum amount of stuff needed to
>>>>>> get a
>>>>>> talking desktop, plus maybe some rescue tools and possibly a media
>>>>>> player or two? I totally agree that it is time consuming to build a
>>>>>> sonar image but also that the point of sonar is to have an iso
>>>>>> image a
>>>>>> user can put on a flash drive and have all or at least most of the
>>>>>> software they need to do pretty much anything. Audio editor, video
>>>>>> editor, audio converter, etc etc etc. Would it be possible to add a
>>>>>> software page to calamares if the user is using the minimal
>>>>>> version so
>>>>>> they can select which programs they want to install and leave the
>>>>>> ones
>>>>>> they don't off? Also an "install updates" option that way a user
>>>>>> gets a
>>>>>> completely up to date system instead of having to first install and
>>>>>> then
>>>>>> install several hundred updates. Just brainstorming. I'm not sure if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 08/21/2016 10:22 AM, artoo wrote:
>>>>>>> My thought for sonar was, since we now have calamares and buildiso
>>>>>>> ready to configure the installer for additionally installing
>>>>>>> packages
>>>>>>> from online repo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> a hybrid iso, that extracts a basic sonar mate for example, but
>>>>>>> downloads all the additional apps optionally. So the sonar user
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> get a basic preconfigured accessible desktop, but he has to download
>>>>>>> further apps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Reason is, it is really painfully time consuming to tbuild a test
>>>>>>> sonar iso.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With my proposal, we would have a smaller iso, and all the apps will
>>>>>>> be downloaded by user. We would juust provide what is needed for a
>>>>>>> sonar user by default.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 17:11 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Simon
>>>>>>>> Eigeldinger)
>>>>>>>> 2. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>> 3. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (Philip M?ller)
>>>>>>>> 4. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (artoo)
>>>>>>>> 5. Re: manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7 (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 15:09:27 +0200
>>>>>>>> From: Simon Eigeldinger <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
>>>>>>>> To: manjaro-dev at manjaro.org
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 29, Issue 7
>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <ee5bf9ab-730a-5dca-4a61-7b67f0c2785f at vol.at>
>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Marcus,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for doing that.
>>>>>>>> that now enables us now to move forward.
>>>>>>>> btw also its also a good idea to replace gtk2 with gtk3.
>>>>>>>> gtk2 doesn't get more accessible and also no updates.
>>>>>>>> so thats also a good thing for the future.
>>>>>>>> sometimes its good that someone from the outside is cleaning up a
>>>>>>>> bit.
>>>>>>>> *smile*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greetings,
>>>>>>>> simon
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 13:44 schrieb artoo:
>>>>>>>>> Hi kendell,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I removed the root-overlay, this stuff shouldn't be there.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Reason is, calamares will now configure the target installation,
>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>> than letting buildiso do it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Your stuff from root-overlay has been saved, its not lost, but
>>>>>>>>> notice,
>>>>>>>>> with removed root-overlay, lightdm starts to talk. I moved some
>>>>>>>>> things
>>>>>>>>> in sonar profile in proper places.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is work in progress.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for calamares and accessibility, generally, deprecating thus
>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>> cli-installer lets us focus on one installer only. Its a
>>>>>>>>> nightmare to
>>>>>>>>> support 3 different installers. This is also work in progress to
>>>>>>>>> eventually make sonar a calamares module, that specifically
>>>>>>>>> configures
>>>>>>>>> sonar stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Marcus(udeved)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Am 21.08.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 1. thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>> 2. Re: thus is gone, help needed (kendell clark)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:00:55 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96DC7.5020409 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd removed
>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all, but
>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to emphasize
>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it to be
>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far calamares is
>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand keeps
>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible
>>>>>>>>>> with the
>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are affected by
>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that it's a
>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or people
>>>>>>>>>> who
>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm not
>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 04:09:41 -0500
>>>>>>>>>> From: kendell clark <coffeekingms at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> To: "manjaro-dev at manjaro.org" <manjaro-dev at manjaro.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] thus is gone, help needed
>>>>>>>>>> Message-ID: <57B96FD5.1040306 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>> I've just noticed that most of the files I put in our shared/root
>>>>>>>>>> overlay are gone. Are they maybe in another repository? I've been
>>>>>>>>>> flaking a lot over the past week but I'm trying to get back into
>>>>>>>>>> developing sonar after taking a couple of days off. Also, I've
>>>>>>>>>> figured
>>>>>>>>>> out a fix for pulse audio which should improve sound when
>>>>>>>>>> sonar is
>>>>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>>>>> in a vm, allow console speech to work and also keep our
>>>>>>>>>> setting to
>>>>>>>>>> allow
>>>>>>>>>> newly plugged in devices to switch over automatically. Would
>>>>>>>>>> someone
>>>>>>>>>> mind writing a script which generates a pulse audio config named
>>>>>>>>>> 'default.pa' and places it in ~/.config/pulse when the live
>>>>>>>>>> system is
>>>>>>>>>> booted? I don't know a thing about sed or I'd try this myself? It
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> have the following lines in it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> .include /etc/pulse/default.pa #this includes the system pulse
>>>>>>>>>> configuration file.
>>>>>>>>>> #switch to newly plugged in sound hardware
>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-switch-on-connect
>>>>>>>>>> #enable console screen readers
>>>>>>>>>> load-module module-native-protocol-unix auth-anonymous=1
>>>>>>>>>> socket=/tmp/pulse.sock
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If the file is generated on boot I won't have to create a skel
>>>>>>>>>> folder
>>>>>>>>>> and place that file there. I assume my root overlay was
>>>>>>>>>> deleted to
>>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>>> to de-clutter up our profiles, which I completely understand. The
>>>>>>>>>> reason
>>>>>>>>>> I'm asking it to go into the user config folder for pulse instead
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> system wide one is because if it's placed in the system wide
>>>>>>>>>> pulse
>>>>>>>>>> config file, pulse breaks. I'm not at all sure why, but if it's
>>>>>>>>>> placed
>>>>>>>>>> in the ~/.config/pulse folder it works fine.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hi all
>>>>>>>>>>> I just got a message on the sonar mailing list that udevd
>>>>>>>>>>> removed
>>>>>>>>>>> thus
>>>>>>>>>>> from the repositories. I'm not complaining about this at all,
>>>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>> does mean I'll need the calamares installer accessible by the
>>>>>>>>>>> next
>>>>>>>>>>> sonar
>>>>>>>>>>> release or I won't have an installer to put into sonar. Would
>>>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>>>> people from hear mind contacting the calamares devs to emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> their installer has to run as a normal user in order for it
>>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible? Phil and I have told this to the only calamares
>>>>>>>>>>> developer I
>>>>>>>>>>> know, called teo, and he agrees with me, but so far calamares is
>>>>>>>>>>> still
>>>>>>>>>>> run as root, which for some reason I still don't understand
>>>>>>>>>>> keeps
>>>>>>>>>>> orca
>>>>>>>>>>> from seeing it. Calamares is already completely accessible with
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> exception of some small bugs when run as a normal user, so the
>>>>>>>>>>> installer
>>>>>>>>>>> only has a couple of very small bugs that need fixing but when
>>>>>>>>>>> it's run
>>>>>>>>>>> as root orca can't see it. The only reason I'm bringing this up
>>>>>>>>>>> again is
>>>>>>>>>>> because it's now the only installer I have to work with so it
>>>>>>>>>>> needs to
>>>>>>>>>>> be accessible. I'm asking more people to get involved so I
>>>>>>>>>>> can't be
>>>>>>>>>>> ignored easily. If only a few people want a bug to get fixed it
>>>>>>>>>>> can be
>>>>>>>>>>> put off with the assumption that not enough users are
>>>>>>>>>>> affected by
>>>>>>>>>>> it so
>>>>>>>>>>> why fix it. From what teo tells me, the calamares people are
>>>>>>>>>>> reluctant
>>>>>>>>>>> to rewrite calamares to run as an unprivilaged user and use
>>>>>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>>>>>> like policy kit or pam to elevate when needed, saying that
>>>>>>>>>>> it's a
>>>>>>>>>>> lot of
>>>>>>>>>>> work. I don't know if this is true but it either needs to be
>>>>>>>>>>> done or
>>>>>>>>>>> patched, or something so that it doesn't run as root or
>>>>>>>>>>> people who
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> screen readers won't be able to use it. I think screen
>>>>>>>>>>> magnifiers
>>>>>>>>>>> and on
>>>>>>>>>>> screen keyboards might still be able to work with it, but I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> positive about that.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell Clark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>>
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