[manjaro-dev] manjaro-dev Digest, Vol 28, Issue 12

artoo artoo at manjaro.org
Fri Jul 22 12:13:56 CEST 2016

What to say?

We can only blame ourselves, that people now start to run wild due to 
some button or menu is not right.

It really went not good as it went, and ssl certifictae running out 
twice shouldn't have happened a second time.

The trouble is, only a few have access, know whats going on, and even 
half the team is left in the dark.

I don't really know why that is, or how to improve, if there is no 
feedback, and proposals sit for months around.

In my opinion, we are now stuck with discourse, moving again makes us 
look like idiots. And if we should move again, we should do is fast.

I really think team has to sit together and discuss strategic alignment 
of manjaro, if some concepts work.
Its time to reflect, and we need changes, I think manjaro has reached 
its limits currently, and we need to tackle the problems with the motor 
under the hood, that makes the shiny car stutter.


Am 22.07.2016 um 12:00 schrieb manjaro-dev-request at manjaro.org:
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> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 22:00:24 +0200
> From: Philip M?ller <philm at manjaro.org>
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> What do you guys think about this feedback?
> -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Redesign
> Datum: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 18:44:56 +0200
> Von: R. W. Reese <aguador at openmailbox.org>
> An: support at manjaro.org
> Hi Guys,
> It's good to see that the wiki is available again and that your are
> redesigning the web site. I don't have a lot of input on the website
> redesign other than simply updating the content. What greets one now is
> fine except it is around two years out of date (RIP ManjaroOB as an
> "official" flavor).
> However, I will belatedly take this opportunity to comment on Manjaro
> and the forum here as I refuse to sign up for it. Let me explain.
> I have been with Manjaro since 0.8.10. It is my third distro and one
> where I have felt very much at home. Rob, philm, AJSlye and Oberon,
> above all, have been great, and the experience of using Manjaro equally
> as good. Before the introduction of the new forum I was making efforts
> to contribute (e.g., write up on Entrance in the wiki) that fit with my
> time and skill level.
> My heart sank the first day the new forum came online. I reacted so
> negatively that I started reading and thinking about Arch and other
> possibilities. I have since visited the forum a couple of times to see
> if my initial reaction was simply an overreaction . . . confirming that,
> for me, it is not. I will not use the forum as it is now configured,
> which means I will not be using the primary vehicle for participating in
> the Manjaro community, which inevitably leads to leaving Manjaro as I am
> not prepared to be simply a leech.
> What is wrong with the forum?
> 1) It lacks the basic user information that should be visible on every
> post. Before it was possible to see what Des/WMs, video cards, and
> branches a poster was using. When properly kept up to date it made it
> easier to respond to questions and issues. Why this information would
> have been eliminated (other than to reduce the space of posts) is beyond me.
> 2) The the look and feel and some of the "features" of the site are
> appropriate to social media at best, and frivolous social media at that.
> I did not participate in the forum to be social, but to ask and answer
> questions or post news that came my way (especially about E). I did not
> use "+1" and saw few of them in the old forum, so not only is the little
> "heart" for "likes" is not very valuable, it is incredibly insulting.
> Furthermore the suggestion is that it be used for "thanks" as well, but
> "thanks? for what? ? ?a good post", "your comments", "helping solve my
> problem", "providing the best solution to my problem" . . . you get the
> point. It is, in other words, it is as vacuous ? or mor so ? as "+1"
> while adding making the site seem "silly" (a word used in an e-mail I
> received from another user).
> Add to the lack of useful, serious information the "brownie points"
> system related to posts and privileges, and you have a monstrous
> creation in which I cannot bring myself to participate. I am sure I have
> made my fair share of stupid comments on the old forum and, I would like
> to think, one or two intelligent ones as well. However, the design of
> the forum really makes it feel like an insult.
> I have little time to do as much as I would like in increasing my
> knowledge and skills with Linux, but the change in the forum came just
> at a point where I was making efforts to increase that knowledge -- only
> to have the community to which I intended to contribute become alien
> territory.  I know that all this must seem an over reaction, and perhaps
> I will become a crotchety Arch user mocking distros that don?t require
> going through hell to install or a curmudgeonly Slackware user
> pooh-poohing the automatic handling of dependencies (said with all due
> respect to the users of those distros, the overwhelming majority of whom
> are neither crotchety nor curmudgeonly).
> There is no need to respond to this message as it is simply the result
> of an unexpected request for input that has allowed me to comment at
> length. I wish Manjaro and the whole Manjaro team well. It is a
> fantastic distro that I know deserves to be and I am sure will be around
> for many years to come.
> Best,
> Roy

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