[manjaro-dev] Fwd: Re: [aur-requests] [PRQ#2585] Merge Request for upower-pm-utils

[philm at manjaro.org]

This is the typical AUR issue they have. If they want to delete it, 
fine. We have them in our binaries, so why should we care?

Am 2015-03-08 22:18, schrieb artoo:
> Hi team,
> 
>  just copy of email convesation for your information.
> 
>  Marcus
> 
>  -------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht --------
> 
>  		BETREFF:
>  		Re: [aur-requests] [PRQ#2585] Merge Request for upower-pm-utils
> 
>  		DATUM:
>  		Sun, 08 Mar 2015 22:07:15 +0100
> 
>  		VON:
>  		artoo <artoo at manjaro.org>
> 
>  		AN:
>  		darkarcanis at mail.ru
> 
> Hi Evgeniy,
> 
> thanks for the response, naming is just one point.
> If users try to replace systemd, they will likely search on the net
> for
> upower or pm-utils( removed support in upower-0.99), and not for
> "nosystemd".
> Let me explain the technical side, the user who filed the request
> seems
> a bit clueless.
> 
> His complaint was, that my package does not depend on udev. Well, that
> 
> is right, I am free to provide my own depends on AUR. There is no
> guideline for that, and note, my packages are not manjaro specific.
> They
> work exactly the same on arch from aur and do not need any specific
> manjaro package.
> 
> Now, what is the point of having a udev depend?
> Except for systemd, eudev is the only alternative for udev on AUR.
> Since systemd is great and doesn't need any pm-utils, and tlp
> conflicts
> with pm-utils, there is no point at all to change my depends. i
> provide
> the eudev package too which is the depend of complaint.
> 
> Kind regards,
> Artoo
> 
> Am 08.03.2015 um 21:58 schrieb Evgeniy Alekseev:
>> Hi, Artoo,
>> 
>> On Sundays 08 March 2015 20:18:44 artoo wrote:
>>> I would protest a deletion, since I regard the package name better
> and
>>> more specific than "nosystemd". It is simply a service to the arch
>>> community to upload these packages also to AUR, no matter they are
> also
>>> used by manjaro. I won't start to maintain two versions of the same
>>> package just for sake of naming issue. Same PKGBUILDS are used in
> our
>>> binary repos.
>> About packages naming. Yes, at the moment I don't find any reference
> to how
>> such packages should be named in the Wiki. But, just a second let's
> imagine
>> the user who installs the system without systemd. Search for
> "pm-utils" gives
>> only the discussed package [1]. Whereas search for "nosystemd" gives
> a lot of
>> related results [2]. So tell me please what is name a better for the
> user
>> experience?
>> 
>> 1. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=pm-utils [4]
>> 2. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=nosystemd [5]
>> 
>>> Anyway, if you delete this package, please delete all my packages
> and I
>>> am done with AUR.
>> Can I leave this remark without any comments? =)
>> 
>> Also I've CCed this email to the aur-request@ ML, because all
> related
>> discussions should take place on it.
> 
>  Hi Evgeniy,
> 
>  I would protest a deletion, since I regard the package name better
> and more specific than "nosystemd".  It is simply a service to the
> arch community to upload these packages also to AUR, no matter they
> are also used by manjaro. I won't start to maintain two versions of
> the same package just for sake of naming issue. Same PKGBUILDS are
> used in our binary repos.
>  Anyway, if you delete this package, please delete all my packages and
> I am done with AUR.
> 
>  Kind regards,
>  Artoo
> 
>  Am 08.03.2015 um 19:42 schrieb Evgeniy Alekseev:
>  On Sunday 08 March 2015 10:48:42 notify at aur.archlinux.org wrote:
> 
>> Alad [1] filed a request to merge upower-pm-utils [2] into
>> upower-nosystemd [3]:
>> 
>> Identical to upower-nosystemd, except this has an overly specific
>> dependency (eudev instead of udev) for the sole reason of packaging
>> 
>> for another distro
>> 
>> [1] https://aur.archlinux.org/account/Alad/ [1]
>> [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/upower-pm-utils/ [2]
>> [3] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/upower-nosystemd/ [3]
>  Currently one package [1] depends on it. I've left a comment.
> 
>  About this package deletion. I think that we are free to remove
> packages which
>  are uploaded to provide Manjaro compatibility according to the idea
> that AUR
>  is _Arch_ repository, not Arch-based one. And to provide
> compatibility Manjaro
>  users should use own repository.
> 
>  1. https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mate-session-manager-upower/
> [6]
> 
> 
> 
> Links:
> ------
> [1] https://aur.archlinux.org/account/Alad/
> [2] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/upower-pm-utils/
> [3] https://aur.archlinux.org/pkgbase/upower-nosystemd/
> [4] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=pm-utils
> [5] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/?K=nosystemd
> [6] https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/mate-session-manager-upower/
> 
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