[manjaro-dev] libxfce4ui gtk3

[Rob McCathie]

Sure. List is attached.

(Other than base-devel) It's basically just 'Net' install with:
xfce4*
slim
wicd
midori
xfburn
mousepad
ristretto
parole
gvfs
adwaita-manjaro-themes
faenza-green-icon-theme
thunar-archive-plugin
file-roller2-nn (aur)


At first I tried using the gtk2 version of the networkmanager-applet
(in AUR), but it still needs gnome-keyring to work nicely for wifi...
which is no good for my purpose, so wicd it is. Wicd feels 'right' for
this anyway.

Since my 106MB memory footprint claim I thought I should get all what
i consider 'base' functionality going, so i installed gvfs (and parole
and couple things), which sadly kicked me all the way to 127MB... but
that's still good.

I'm pretty sure I will install compton too, since Xfce's compositor
remains unable to provide a tear-free experience.


* Sidenote: If trying to replicate this from a 'Net' install, when
installing the xfce4 package group, you don't install all 18 members
of the group. The 4th group member is gtk3-xfce-engine which depends
on gtk3, so instead of "all" you enter "1-3,5-18".


BTW thanks for the consideration with the package changes earlier.
Regards,

Rob / korrode.


On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 1:33 AM, Philip Müller <philm at manjaro.org> wrote:
> Can you past me your output of pacman -Q so I can take a look at your
> installed packages.
> You can also attach a file to this list or mail it me directly.
>
> Am 29.12.2013 15:34, schrieb Rob McCathie:
>
>> Considering that would have meant the 'Net' install would have
>> required GTK3, I think it's a good change ;-)
>>
>> My repo just updated and i'm running your new packages now. So far
>> everything seems fine, All Xfce components and software I have
>> installed are working, gtk3 remains un-installed. (same for Qt4/5, and
>> hence it also means no manjaro-settings-manager installed ;-\)
>>
>> My Laptop installed with Net edition with only SLiM, Xfce and wicd
>> (with NetworkManager removed), logged into the desktop with all Xfce4
>> components and wicd-gtk2 applet running has a memory footprint of only
>> 106MB, and boots & launches all it's common apps insanely fast.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 12:09 AM, Philip Müller <philm at manjaro.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ok, on second thought, why not. I made it as opt. dependency now.
>>> Will work on pacman-mirrors to make it opt as well ...
>>>
>>> Am 29.12.2013 14:06, schrieb Philip Müller:
>>>
>>>> Well, this won't happen. GTK3 is also a dependency now for
>>>> pacman-mirrors
>>>> package. So you'll have gtk3 installed anyway ...
>>>>
>>>> Am 29.12.2013 14:04, schrieb Rob McCathie:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just tested having gtk3 support enabled and compiling with gtk3 as a
>>>>> *makedepend*, then operating without GTK3 installed, and everything
>>>>> seems to work fine.
>>>>>
>>>>> So how about shifting gtk3 to makedepends= array?
>>>>>
>>>>> I realise this is immaterial to Manjaro's central goals and that the
>>>>> amount of Manjaro users who would care about being able to run Xfce
>>>>> without GTK3 installed will be tiny (likely only myself, and it's only
>>>>> for my laptop, and still just an experiment)... and I can easily just
>>>>> roll my own modded package.
>>>>>
>>>>> So yeah, just a suggestion, but i don't see any reason not to, since
>>>>> it still works fine without gtk3 present at runtime (from my tests
>>>>> anyway).
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 8:58 PM, Philip Müller <philm at manjaro.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, we have some XFCE 4.11 packages and enabling GTK3 in libxfce4ui
>>>>>> let us
>>>>>> theme GTK3 more easily.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Read the announcement:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://mail.xfce.org/pipermail/xfce/2013-September/032495.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To quote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Highlight are a GTK+-3 version of the library for applications that
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> it and the improved version of the keyboard shortcut handling code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Compile GTK+-3 version of libxfce4ui when possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 29.12.2013 03:47, schrieb Rob McCathie:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Phil,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just wondering, is there some particular reason you're passing
>>>>>>> --enable-gtk3 for Manjaro's libxfce4ui? (and hence depending on gtk3)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://git.manjaro.org/package-sources/extra/blob/master/libxfce4ui/PKGBUILD
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does it actually do anything worthwhile for GTK3 apps on Xfce?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd just started setting up a minimal Manjaro Xfce experiment on my
>>>>>>> laptop and went to install xfce4 and noted it wanted to pull gtk3,
>>>>>>> which I wasn't expecting because usually on Arch it wouldn't. It
>>>>>>> doesn't cause me any problems since I'll just roll my own libxfce4ui
>>>>>>> package, but i'm wondering if it actually needs to be that way for
>>>>>>> Manjaro anyway?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Rob.
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xinetd 2.3.15-4
xkeyboard-config 2.10.1-1
xorg-bdftopcf 1.0.4-1
xorg-font-util 1.3.0-1
xorg-font-utils 7.6-3
xorg-fonts-alias 1.0.3-1
xorg-fonts-encodings 1.0.4-3
xorg-fonts-misc 1.0.1-2
xorg-iceauth 1.0.6-1
xorg-mkfontdir 1.0.7-1
xorg-mkfontscale 1.1.1-1
xorg-server 1.14.5-1
xorg-server-common 1.14.5-1
xorg-server-utils 7.6-3
xorg-sessreg 1.0.8-1
xorg-setxkbmap 1.3.0-1
xorg-twm 1.0.8-1
xorg-utils 7.6-8
xorg-xauth 1.0.8-1
xorg-xbacklight 1.2.0-1
xorg-xcmsdb 1.0.4-1
xorg-xdpyinfo 1.3.1-1
xorg-xdriinfo 1.0.4-3
xorg-xev 1.2.1-1
xorg-xgamma 1.0.5-1
xorg-xhost 1.0.6-1
xorg-xinit 1.3.3-3
xorg-xinput 1.6.1-1
xorg-xkbcomp 1.2.4-1
xorg-xlsatoms 1.1.1-1
xorg-xlsclients 1.1.3-1
xorg-xmodmap 1.0.8-1
xorg-xprop 1.2.2-1
xorg-xrandr 1.4.1-1
xorg-xrdb 1.1.0-1
xorg-xrefresh 1.0.5-1
xorg-xset 1.2.3-1
xorg-xsetroot 1.1.1-1
xorg-xvinfo 1.1.2-1
xorg-xwininfo 1.1.3-1
xproto 7.0.25-1
xvidcore 1.3.2-3
xz 5.0.5-2
zd1211-firmware 1.4-6
zip 3.0-3
zlib 1.2.8-3