[manjaro-dev] Static (non-rolling) option

Rob McCathie korrode at gmail.com
Fri Nov 8 12:48:47 CET 2013

Unless I were to try to keep up with comprehensive backporting of security
patches/fixes, which certainly to start with I wouldn't be (I'd just
clearly state it's not recommended for internet facing servers), the
workload should actually be pretty light most of the year, except
surrounding release time.

That said, it does concern me a bit, i'd really want a second person on
board. Originally I contemplated a non-rolling Arch project with a friend
who is a capable Linux user/admin & developer (housemate at the time, years
back now) and the plan was to both run it. I've been meaning to get in
touch with him and see if he's still interested, but my hopes aren't that
high if it's to be based on Manjaro, because he's a bit of an Arch purist.

Regarding my attention on Manjaro proper, don't take the hypotheticals and
the questions i've been asking as meaning i'm definitely going to start
this project, it's still a very big maybe at this point. I'd *like* to have
something that both I can run and that i'm comfortable giving to
friends/family of varying computing literacy, but I certainly don't *need*
it. I can just drop openSUSE on their systems and I'll just run it in a VM
or on a secondary system.

Also a couple of weeks ago I started putting together another Manjaro
respin that is designed to be very comfortable for novice users, with basic
needs, coming from Windows. Though almost completely unconfigurable (user
can't even choose which apps they install) i'm hoping it will be, partially
as a result, unbreakable. It's using a minimal installation and JWM, which
these days has an ultra-conservative release cycle.
Although it wouldn't cover the full spectrum of users that I think the
static/non-rolling release would, it should cover a lot of them... I might
just get back to that.

Lastly btw, I have been meaning to test the new RC ISO's and try to help
more with Manjaro... it's mainly just i've had a HDD space issue going on
recently, lol... but i've just bought multiple new drives yesterday :D


On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 9:32 PM, Carl Duff <cdrw2400 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This has been an interesting read.
> All I would say is: make sure that you would not be heaping too much on
> yourself, Rob. As it would be a spin-off rather than just another flavour,
> obviously the amount of work required would be substantial.
> From a selfish point of view, it would also be a shame to have your
> attention and expertise directed away from the main system...
> Carl
> On 8 November 2013 08:46, Rob McCathie <korrode at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 5:28 PM, Philip Müller <philm at manjaro.org> wrote:
>>>  This is possible and we already have some ideas regarding this topic.
>>> Actually Roland is working on such a thing with a different prospective.
>>> This will mean a different concept as we have it now. Also lots of testing.
>>> When we have some we can inform you. Might also want to look at frugalware,
>>> which basically does this concept you're talking about.
>> Any chance you can drop some more hints on what you've got planned? How
>> it's different?
>>>  Rolling releases have some downs but we try to fix them. We already
>>> slowed it down a little but most of the people need or like the current
>>> speed.
>>> I think adding a longer testing period in testing might help to get it
>>> much more stable. Maybe you point me to the edges on our current concept
>>> and what you miss right now.
>> Mainly it's just the simple fact that there is a risk of breakage with
>> every update (updates to system operation components anyway). Maybe if
>> there was about a thousand more people running Manjaro testing branch so we
>> really started getting some serious hardware coverage, and also wider
>> coverage of all the packages in the Arch repos, rolling might be ok for me.
>> I want something I can run myself and roll out to friends and perhaps
>> even business clients. Right now Manjaro is not for newbies. I know you're
>> all probably thinking "That's exactly who it's for!", but i'm talking about
>> REAL novice computer users. Right now most all of Manjaro's users are at
>> least *enthusiastic* enough about computing (even if they don't have much
>> knowledge) to have heard of Linux and decided to try to install it. I want
>> an Arch based distro I can roll out to people who aren't pondering what
>> features the next release of their DE will have, or if the driver for their
>> hardware in the Linux kernel is going to improve, because they don't know
>> what any of those things are.
>> Regarding a longer period in testing; it certainly has my vote.
>> I run testing but will not perform pacman -Syu unless I know I have
>> enough time then and there to deal with any degree of breakage, if i'm
>> having a busy week it may be some days before i update, so yeah - a longer
>> period would be good.
>> Regards,
>> Rob.
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