<p dir="ltr">You can all Linus directly on his google+ BTW, is the patch already in the unstable repo of manjaro? </p>
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1. Re: [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo<br>
sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686 (Josh Boyer)<br>
2. Re: [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo<br>
sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686 (Borislav Petkov)<br>
3. Re: [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo<br>
sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686 (Greg KH)<br>
4. Re: [PATCH] cpu/cacheinfo: Fix teardown path (Borislav Petkov)<br>
5. Re: Proposal for a background image - agave flower and wasp<br>
(Schulenburg, Manfred)<br>
6. Re: [PATCH] cpu/cacheinfo: Fix teardown path (Philip M?ller)<br>
7. Re: [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo<br>
sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686 (Philip M?ller)<br>
8. Upgrade to Kernel 4.1 (Jose Gonzalez)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2015 19:52:47 -0400<br>
From: Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>><br>
To: Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>><br>
Cc: Andre Przywara <<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin"<br>
<<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>, "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel.<br>
Org" <<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>>, Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>,<br>
Sudeep Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>, Thomas Gleixner<br>
<<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>>, Guenter Roeck<br>
<<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo:<br>
Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686<br>
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On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:54:55PM +0200, Philip M?ller wrote:<br>
>> I can confirm your patch working. However, it might be good to use yours<br>
>> and Thomas' in combination to solve this properly.<br>
><br>
> Please do not top-post.<br>
><br>
> We could use Thomas' too although from looking at it,<br>
> detect_cache_attributes() allocates a per-CPU per_cpu_cacheinfo thing<br>
> for each CPU. By the time we hit cache_shared_cpu_map_remove() in<br>
> free_cache_attributes(), those per_cpu_cacheinfo(cpu) things are still<br>
> allocated. We kfree them in the next step only.<br>
><br>
> But I like the moving of the check from the CPU hotplug callback to<br>
> free_cache_attributes().<br>
><br>
> So I'll merge the two patches and write up a proper commit message,<br>
> unless someone objects.<br>
><br>
> I'll add your Tested-by too.<br>
<br>
Did this actually happen? I don't see either fix in Linus' tree yet,<br>
the merge window is closed, and the bug happens on 4.1 and 4.2 stable<br>
kernels..<br>
<br>
josh<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 09:15:04 +0200<br>
From: Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>><br>
To: Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>>, Greg KH<br>
<<a href="mailto:gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">gregkh@linuxfoundation.org</a>><br>
Cc: Andre Przywara <<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin"<br>
<<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>, "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel.<br>
Org" <<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>>, Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>,<br>
Sudeep Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>, Thomas Gleixner<br>
<<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>>, Guenter Roeck<br>
<<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo:<br>
Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686<br>
Message-ID: <20150917071504.GA12316@nazgul.tnic><br>
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 07:52:47PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>> wrote:<br>
> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:54:55PM +0200, Philip M?ller wrote:<br>
> >> I can confirm your patch working. However, it might be good to use yours<br>
> >> and Thomas' in combination to solve this properly.<br>
> ><br>
> > Please do not top-post.<br>
> ><br>
> > We could use Thomas' too although from looking at it,<br>
> > detect_cache_attributes() allocates a per-CPU per_cpu_cacheinfo thing<br>
> > for each CPU. By the time we hit cache_shared_cpu_map_remove() in<br>
> > free_cache_attributes(), those per_cpu_cacheinfo(cpu) things are still<br>
> > allocated. We kfree them in the next step only.<br>
> ><br>
> > But I like the moving of the check from the CPU hotplug callback to<br>
> > free_cache_attributes().<br>
> ><br>
> > So I'll merge the two patches and write up a proper commit message,<br>
> > unless someone objects.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'll add your Tested-by too.<br>
><br>
> Did this actually happen? I don't see either fix in Linus' tree yet,<br>
> the merge window is closed, and the bug happens on 4.1 and 4.2 stable<br>
> kernels..<br>
<br>
Greg wanted to pick it up...<br>
<br>
Greg, what's up?<br>
<br>
--<br>
Regards/Gruss,<br>
Boris.<br>
<br>
ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 05:54:04 -0700<br>
From: Greg KH <<a href="mailto:gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">gregkh@linuxfoundation.org</a>><br>
To: Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>><br>
Cc: Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>>, Andre Przywara<br>
<<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin" <<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>,<br>
"Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel. Org" <<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>>,<br>
<a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>, Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>, Sudeep Holla<br>
<<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>, Thomas Gleixner <<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>, Borislav<br>
Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>>, Guenter Roeck <<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo:<br>
Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:20150917125404.GC16085@kroah.com" target="_blank">20150917125404.GC16085@kroah.com</a>><br>
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On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 09:15:04AM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Sep 16, 2015 at 07:52:47PM -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:<br>
> > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 10:42 AM, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > On Sun, Jul 26, 2015 at 12:54:55PM +0200, Philip M?ller wrote:<br>
> > >> I can confirm your patch working. However, it might be good to use yours<br>
> > >> and Thomas' in combination to solve this properly.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > Please do not top-post.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > We could use Thomas' too although from looking at it,<br>
> > > detect_cache_attributes() allocates a per-CPU per_cpu_cacheinfo thing<br>
> > > for each CPU. By the time we hit cache_shared_cpu_map_remove() in<br>
> > > free_cache_attributes(), those per_cpu_cacheinfo(cpu) things are still<br>
> > > allocated. We kfree them in the next step only.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > But I like the moving of the check from the CPU hotplug callback to<br>
> > > free_cache_attributes().<br>
> > ><br>
> > > So I'll merge the two patches and write up a proper commit message,<br>
> > > unless someone objects.<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I'll add your Tested-by too.<br>
> ><br>
> > Did this actually happen? I don't see either fix in Linus' tree yet,<br>
> > the merge window is closed, and the bug happens on 4.1 and 4.2 stable<br>
> > kernels..<br>
><br>
> Greg wanted to pick it up...<br>
><br>
> Greg, what's up?<br>
<br>
It's in my "to-apply" queue, let me go dig it up now...<br>
<br>
thanks for the reminder.<br>
<br>
greg k-h<br>
<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2015 21:42:24 +0200<br>
From: Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>><br>
To: Philip M?ller <<a href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org" target="_blank">philm@manjaro.org</a>><br>
Cc: Greg KH <<a href="mailto:gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">gregkh@linuxfoundation.org</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin"<br>
<<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>,<br>
<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>, Andre Przywara <<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>,<br>
Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>, Sudeep Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>,<br>
Thomas Gleixner <<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>, Guenter Roeck<br>
<<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [PATCH] cpu/cacheinfo: Fix teardown path<br>
Message-ID: <20150808194224.GA4242@nazgul.tnic><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>
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On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:23:49PM +0200, Philip M?ller wrote:<br>
> Hi Greg,<br>
><br>
> I bi-sected it to following commit:<br>
><br>
> 0d55ba46bfbee64fd2b492b87bfe2ec172e7b056 is the first bad commit<br>
> commit 0d55ba46bfbee64fd2b492b87bfe2ec172e7b056<br>
> Author: Sudeep Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>><br>
> Date: Wed Mar 4 12:00:16 2015 +0000<br>
><br>
> x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure<br>
><br>
> You can follow it on my github repo in rich detail:<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://github.com/philmmanjaro/linux41/blob/master/git-bisect.txt" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/philmmanjaro/linux41/blob/master/git-bisect.txt</a><br>
<br>
Philip,<br>
<br>
what is with you and top-posting? How hard is it not to do it?!<br>
<br>
Please stop with the top-posting already.<br>
<br>
--<br>
Regards/Gruss,<br>
Boris.<br>
<br>
ECO tip #101: Trim your mails when you reply.<br>
--<br>
<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2015 21:21:42 +0200<br>
From: "Schulenburg, Manfred" <<a href="mailto:mschulenburg@gmx.net" target="_blank">mschulenburg@gmx.net</a>><br>
To: Philip M?ller <<a href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org" target="_blank">philm@manjaro.org</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] Proposal for a background image - agave<br>
flower and wasp<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:55E9EF46.8010101@gmx.net" target="_blank">55E9EF46.8010101@gmx.net</a>><br>
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<br>
Dear Phil,<br>
<br>
no, for the moment I do not have any other, at least not under Creative<br>
Commons. But if you have a package of "other wallpapers", feel free to<br>
put it there. Well, as it's Creative Commons of course you can do as you<br>
like, it's just that I like this particular photo so much. And as I am<br>
myself a fan of your distribution ...<br>
<br>
Thanks anyway for the quick reply and the general interest. I'll see if<br>
at a later stage I put more photos under Creative Commons.<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Manfred<br>
<br>
Am 04.09.2015 um 20:23 schrieb Philip M?ller:<br>
> Am 04.09.2015 um 17:20 schrieb Manfred Schulenburg:<br>
>> Dear all,<br>
>> I am a user of Manjaro Linux.<br>
>> I just uploaded one of my photographic works to wikimedia under Creative Commons<br>
>> license and I am happy to propose it as a background image for your Linux<br>
>> distribution:<br>
>> <a href="https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mschulenburg-agavenbluete.jpg" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Mschulenburg-agavenbluete.jpg</a><br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>> Manfred Schulenburg<br>
>> Luxembourg<br>
>><br>
> Hey Manfred,<br>
><br>
> I really like your photograph. If you have some more pictures you want<br>
> to share I can make a package for example: schulenburg-wallpapers ;)<br>
><br>
> Lets see how we implement this into Manjaro.<br>
><br>
> greez<br>
> Phil<br>
><br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2015 09:03:56 +0200<br>
From: Philip M?ller <<a href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org" target="_blank">philm@manjaro.org</a>><br>
To: Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>>, Greg KH <<a href="mailto:gregkh@linuxfoundation.org" target="_blank">gregkh@linuxfoundation.org</a>><br>
Cc: Andre Przywara <<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin"<br>
<<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>,<br>
<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>, Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>, Sudeep<br>
Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>, Thomas Gleixner <<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>,<br>
Guenter Roeck <<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [PATCH] cpu/cacheinfo: Fix teardown path<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:55F51FDC.9090108@manjaro.org" target="_blank">55F51FDC.9090108@manjaro.org</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"<br>
<br>
On 08.08.2015 21:47, Borislav Petkov wrote:<br>
> On Sat, Aug 08, 2015 at 08:41:56AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:<br>
>> What commit caused this issue?<br>
><br>
> Apparently<br>
><br>
> 0d55ba46bfbe ("x86/cacheinfo: Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure")<br>
><br>
> Looks like moving x86 to the generic cacheinfo stuff uncovered this<br>
> shortcoming there...<br>
><br>
>> And it's a bit late for 4.2, as you say 4.1 is also affected, I'll wait<br>
>> for 4.3-rc1 to give this a chance to get some testing.<br>
><br>
> Right, I guess that's fine too as it'll trickle to stable eventually...<br>
><br>
> Thanks.<br>
><br>
<br>
Just a note from my end. Seems this patch didn't made it into 4.3-rc1.<br>
Any reason why?<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2015 07:36:12 +0200<br>
From: Philip M?ller <<a href="mailto:philm@manjaro.org" target="_blank">philm@manjaro.org</a>><br>
To: Josh Boyer <<a href="mailto:jwboyer@fedoraproject.org" target="_blank">jwboyer@fedoraproject.org</a>>, Borislav Petkov<br>
<<a href="mailto:bp@alien8.de" target="_blank">bp@alien8.de</a>><br>
Cc: Andre Przywara <<a href="mailto:andre.przywara@arm.com" target="_blank">andre.przywara@arm.com</a>>, "H. Peter Anvin"<br>
<<a href="mailto:hpa@zytor.com" target="_blank">hpa@zytor.com</a>>, <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a>, "Linux-Kernel@Vger. Kernel.<br>
Org" <<a href="mailto:linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" target="_blank">linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org</a>>, Ingo Molnar <<a href="mailto:mingo@redhat.com" target="_blank">mingo@redhat.com</a>>,<br>
Sudeep Holla <<a href="mailto:sudeep.holla@arm.com" target="_blank">sudeep.holla@arm.com</a>>, Thomas Gleixner<br>
<<a href="mailto:tglx@linutronix.de" target="_blank">tglx@linutronix.de</a>>, Borislav Petkov <<a href="mailto:bp@suse.de" target="_blank">bp@suse.de</a>>, Guenter Roeck<br>
<<a href="mailto:linux@roeck-us.net" target="_blank">linux@roeck-us.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [manjaro-dev] [linux41] regression with 'x86/cacheinfo:<br>
Move cacheinfo sysfs code to generic infrastructure' on AMD i686<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:55FA514C.4050605@manjaro.org" target="_blank">55FA514C.4050605@manjaro.org</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>
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Am 17.09.2015 um 01:52 schrieb Josh Boyer:<br>
><br>
> Did this actually happen? I don't see either fix in Linus' tree yet,<br>
> the merge window is closed, and the bug happens on 4.1 and 4.2 stable<br>
> kernels..<br>
><br>
> josh<br>
><br>
<br>
Seems not yet. I don't see it neither in 4.3-rc1. Seems 4.3 will have<br>
the same issues then ...<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:51:02 -0300<br>
From: Jose Gonzalez <<a href="mailto:jozho.g@gmail.com" target="_blank">jozho.g@gmail.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:manjaro-dev@manjaro.org" target="_blank">manjaro-dev@manjaro.org</a><br>
Subject: [manjaro-dev] Upgrade to Kernel 4.1<br>
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Hi guys!<br>
Before of the mail i like to say THANKS for the amazing work of you do<br>
with Manjaro Linux is amazing, Manjaro boost my pc how i never could<br>
imagine .<br>
This mail is for the next. Sorry for my english.<br>
The update for manjaro to the 4.1 Kernel of linux will affect if I have<br>
installed on my machine the Kernel 3.18 ?? or do you recomend do a clean<br>
installation of the new kernel ??.<br>
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This is it and thanks again fot the amazing OS it is Manjaro :)<br>
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